weird thing on Sepp Dietrich pic!

Helmut Von Moltke · Post by **Helmut Von Moltke** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:40 am

hmm, in this well known pic, Sepp Dietrich has Wehrmacht eagle on his SS cap instead of SS eagle.... anyone else got any info on inaccuracies of this pic? Thanks for any help!

helmut

awaygood · Post by **awaygood** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:21 am

There is no inaccuracy in the picture, which simply reflects his unique choice of insignia --Sepp Dietrich did indeed wear an Army general style cap eagle. Several other things were unique about his uniform, too -for example, unlike other SS generals, his SS-insignia, cap cords (chinstrap), etc., were gold instead of silver in colour.

Helmut Von Moltke · Post by **Helmut Von Moltke** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:22 am

thanks for the info!

helmut

patrickk · Post by **patrickk** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:52 am

In this retouched studio portrait, this Waffen-SS Untersturmführer wears a Heer eagle on his wrapper. He also seems to be wearing Heer pattern shoulderboards. He was in an Aufklärungs-Abteilung so the piping would be cavalry yellow but the artist has apparently not added the colour. Many SS officers wore Heer eagles and shoulderboards because of frequent shortages of regulation SS pattern insignia, especially on active service. In one famous shot of Kurt Meyer, he wears an old-style field cap with Heer Panzer collartab deathshead.

Patrick

Helmut Von Moltke · Post by **Helmut Von Moltke** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:18 pm

wow, quite well retouched....

patrickk · Post by **patrickk** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:21 am

Here is another studio portrait, this time untouched, showing a Waffen-SS NCO wearing a Heer pattern eagle on his sleeve. The wingtip of the Heer eagle can just be seen. It appears to be a bullion example.

Patrick

Helmut Von Moltke · Post by **Helmut Von Moltke** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:24 am

patrickk wrote: Here is another studio portrait, this time untouched, showing a Waffen-SS NCO wearing a Heer pattern eagle on his sleeve. The wingtip of the Heer eagle can just be seen. It appears to be a bullion example.

Patrick

thanks, you have posted quite a few nice pictures!

Keep up the good work, you are good for this forum mate!

helmut

TimoWr · Post by **TimoWr** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:54 am

patrickk wrote:In this retouched studio portrait, this Waffen-SS Untersturmführer wears a Heer eagle on his wrapper. He also seems to be wearing Heer pattern shoulderboards. He was in an Aufklärungs-Abteilung so the piping would be cavalry yellow but the artist has apparently not added the colour. Many SS officers wore Heer eagles and shoulderboards because of frequent shortages of regulation SS pattern insignia, especially on active service. In one famous shot of Kurt Meyer, he wears an old-style field cap with Heer Panzer collartab deathshead.

Patrick

Do you know who it is and in which AA he served?

Doktor Krollspell · Post by **Doktor Krollspell** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:29 am

Hello Patrick et al.

The really interesting feature on both of these Waffen-SS men is that they are both wearing the Fallschirmschützen-Abzeichen. The man in the retouched photo is wearing the Army style badge and the second one the Luftwaffe style badge. It would be nice if someone could identify them both. I do recognize the second, bare-headed man, but I just can't remember who it is?

Regards,

Krollspell

patrickk · Post by **patrickk** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:24 am

Although it doesn't appear on this document from his file because the file relates solely to his career as an officer, Walter Scheu served as an NCO with SS-Aufklärungs-Abteilung 5, which was part of the Wiking Division. He received the Heer Para Badge as an officer with SS-Fallschirmjäger-Btl 500 and also served with SS-Fallschirmjäger-Btl 600 as a company commander.

The other man is Walter Hummel, who served with the "Deutschland" Regiment before being sent to SS-Fallschirmjäger-Btl 500. Like Scheu, Hummel was later posted to SS-Fallschirmjäger-Btl 600 in Neustrelitz, where this studio portrait was shot. Hummel jumped at Drvar, as his presence in the above photograph taken by SS-KB Kunzmann on 25.5.1944 in a Ju52 on the way to Drvar shows.

This thread was about Heer insignia worn by Waffen-SS soldiers so it has gone a bit off-topic but I think the original poster's questions have been answered. As you can see, some Waffen-SS soldiers also wore Luftwaffe equipment and insignia.

Patrick

TimoWr · Post by **TimoWr** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:44 am

Excellent info. Thanks Patrick!

Doktor Krollspell · Post by **Doktor Krollspell** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:06 am

I can just agree with Timo, very interesting info Patrick! Thanks!

Regards,

Krollspell

Roger Hontz · Post by **Roger Hontz** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:51 pm

Great posts Patrick!! Where did you get all of these amazing documents?

Roger

patrickk · Post by **patrickk** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:18 am

Thank you, gentlemen. Always glad to help. The photographs came from my collection of SS-Fallschirmjäger documents and photographs.

Patrick

Alex Coles · Post by **Alex Coles** » Sun May 21, 2006 5:14 am

Is it me, or didn't Sepp Dietrich have a Moustache?