Wittmann's Tiger at Villers-Bocage

Tony · Post by **Tony** » Mon May 17, 2004 8:35 am

What was the turret number of his Tiger at Villers-Bocage?
cheers and thanks
Tony

Dackel Staffel · Post by **Dackel Staffel** » Mon May 17, 2004 1:03 pm

Hi,

After a short searching on Google, I guess it's 205.
Try this :
http://www.panzerace.net/main/normandy.asp

So long.

Roger Griffiths · Post by **Roger Griffiths** » Mon May 17, 2004 1:56 pm

No, both Group Leader's vehicles had broken down before reaching VB. Latest wisdom is that Wittmann used 212. I think it's not for sure yet, but the experts are working on it.

Roger

Dackel Staffel · Post by **Dackel Staffel** » Mon May 17, 2004 3:34 pm

Hi Roger,

Ok I get it, I say 205 and you say 212. Well, 208.5 it's my last offer, you take or you let

That was just an indication. I guess if Tony asked the number it's because the answer is not easy to find.

So long.

Roger Griffiths · Post by **Roger Griffiths** » Mon May 17, 2004 3:48 pm

Hi Dackel, although there's plenty of pics. of Tiger's in VB, most are from 1st Coy. lost in the afternoon. There is one, burnt unfortunately ie turret number not visible, which has camo pattern and features of 2nd Coy. By process of elimination, 212 is current prime suspect. It should'nt be much longer before truth is known.

Roger

Tony · Post by **Tony** » Mon May 17, 2004 4:35 pm

Why I asked was because theres a painting out there of Wittmann's Tiger at Viller-Bocage and its number is 205 but I've read otherwhere it was 213.
Tony

Paul Hanson · Post by **Paul Hanson** » Mon May 17, 2004 6:23 pm

I have to backup Roger. "205" was Wittmann's Tiger heading to Normandy but evidence seems to agree that it was either KO'd by jabos or simply broke down before V-B. At this point evidence seems to point to "212" as his Tiger at V-B.

Just because the painting shows "205" doesn't mean the painter is especially reliable as an expert on Wittmann. More likely guilty of depending on outdated resources.

PH

Tony · Post by **Tony** » Mon May 17, 2004 7:37 pm

I stand corrected. Thanks alot guys for clearing that up.
cheers and thanks
Tony

Dackel Staffel · Post by **Dackel Staffel** » Tue May 18, 2004 3:32 am

Hi,

I've seen several site on the net saying that the Wittman's Tiger number was 205 but just between the beginning of june and the 12th june 1944. After, nothing is sure.
One thing is sure, the french insurer didn't pay the owner of the broken house bumped by the Wittman's Tiger because it wasn't assured, an another tragic car accident

So long

michael kenny · Post by **michael kenny** » Tue May 18, 2004 7:00 am

No payout because 'Wittmann's' Tiger is not the one in the shop front!
This Tiger #212 (90% certain) is not touching any building where it rests and my friend Yann has an interesting observation about where it is. It may be that the Firefly hits are the ones that knocked it out and not the 'heavy anti-tank gun' as Wittmann says. There were no A/T guns of any size near him so it could not have been A/T.

ericv · Post by **ericv** » Tue May 18, 2004 7:33 am

Maybe this is a stupid question but was a firefly able to knock out a Tiger?

If so, how? It was a formidable Sherman, but still a Sherman..

Tony · Post by **Tony** » Tue May 18, 2004 7:43 am

The Firefly had a 17pdr (76mm) so I guess if it got close enough it could. Depends on where the shot hits.

Dackel Staffel · Post by **Dackel Staffel** » Tue May 18, 2004 9:25 am

Hi,

Right no house bumped by Wittman, Tony you could be a good lawyer.
Is it the picture of the Tiger 212 ? the Wittman's one ?

So long.

ericv · Post by **ericv** » Tue May 18, 2004 9:38 am

Probably not :

Michael Kenny wrote : "No payout because 'Wittmann's' Tiger is not the one in the shop front! "

I am not sure though

michael kenny · Post by **michael kenny** » Tue May 18, 2004 10:29 am

The posted pic is '212' and Wittmann's Tiger for Villers Bocage.