Doctors vs Gunowners

[pzrmeyer2]

Retired Green Beret shoots intruder, gets court martial
>
> BREVARD, NC
> Jan. 19, 2008
>
> Retired Army Green Beret James T. (Smokey) Taylor got his court martial
> this weekend and came away feeling pretty good about it.
>
> Taylor, at age 79, is one of the oldest members of Chapter XXXIII (The
> Larry Thorne Chapter) of the Special Forces Association. He was placed
> on trial by fellow Chapter XXXIII members under the charge of "failing
> to use a weapon of sufficient caliber" in the shooting of an intruder at
> his home in Knoxville, TN, in November.
>
> The court martial, of course, was very much tongue in cheek. The event
> itself was deadly serious.
>
> Taylor had been awakened in the early morning hours of November 5, 2007,
> when an intruder broke into his home. He investigated the noises with
> one of his many weapons in hand.
>
> "It was just after Halloween, on Monday morning at 4:30," Taylor said. I
> heard this commotion at the door and grabbed my fishing gun, a little
>
> .22 revolver, to see what was going on. I got to the front door and this
> fellow had ripped my security door out of its frame. He said, 'you're
> going to have to kill me. I'm coming in.'"
>
> When a warning to leave went unheeded, Taylor brought his .22 caliber
> pistol to bear and shot him right between the eyes.
>
> "I was about four feet away from him when I shot," Taylor said. "Looking
> back now, I'm glad he didn't die, but that boy had the hardest head I've
> ever seen. The bullet bounced right off."
>
> The impact knocked the would-be thief down momentarily. He crawled out
> of the house then got up and ran down the street. Taylor dialed 911 and
> Knoxville police apprehended the wounded man about 200 yards away,
> hiding in a hedgerow.
>
> Complicating the case, as well as the court martial, the offender was
> released on bail but failed to appear for his court date. Knoxville
> police said the man was homeless. They did not know his whereabouts or
> why he had been given bail.
>
> The charges brought against Taylor by his fellow Green Berets were
> considered to be serious. He is a retired Special Forces Weapons
> Sergeant with extensive combat experience during the wars in Korea and
> Vietnam.
>
> "Charges were brought against him under the premise that he should have
> saved the county and taxpayers the expense of a trial," said Chapter
> XXXIII President Bill Long of Asheville, NC.
>
> The trial was held at the Hampton Inn in Brevard, part of the group's
> regularly scheduled quarterly meeting. Long appointed a judge, Bert
> Bates, a defense counsel, Jim Hash, and a prosecutor, Charlie Ponds. All
> are retired Special Forces non-commissioned officers with extensive
> combat and weapons experience.
>
> Ponds outlined the case against Taylor, emphasizing that the citizens of
> Knox County were going to be burdened with significant costs to again
> apprehend, and then prosecute and defend the would-be burglar.
>
> "Proper choice of a larger caliber gun would have spared the citizens
> this financial burden," Ponds said, "while removing one bad guy from the
> streets for good. He could have used a .45 or .38. The .22 just wasn't
> big enough to get the job done. Hash disagreed. He said Taylor had done
> the right thing in choosing to arm himself with a 22.
>
> "If he'd used a .45 or something like that the round would have gone
> right through the perp, the wall, the neighbor's wall and possibly
> injured some innocent child asleep in its bed. I believe the evidence
> shows that Smokey Taylor exercised excellent judgment in his choice of
> weapons. He clearly remains to this day an excellent weapons man."
>
> Hash then floated a theory as to why the bullet bounced off the perp's
> forehead.
> "He was victimized by old ammunition," he said, "just as he was in Korea
> and again in Vietnam, when his units were issued ammo left over from
> World War II."
>
> Taylor said nothing in his own defense, choosing instead to allow his
> peers to debate the matter. The jury, consisting of all the members of
> the Chapter, discussed the merits of choosing a larger caliber weapon as
> well as the obvious benefits to society of permanently deleting the
> intruder so he would never again threaten any private citizen.
>
> The other side of the coin, that of accidentally causing injury to a
> completely innocent citizen if a more powerful gun had been used, also
> gained considerable support.
>
> Following testimony from both sides, Judge Bates determined the charges
> should be dismissed. The decision was met with a round of applause. In
> fact, there was strong sentiment expressed that Taylor should receive an
> award for not only choosing wisely in picking up the 22, but for the
> accuracy of his aim under difficult and dangerous conditions.
>
> After the trial Taylor said the ammunition was indeed old and added the
> new information that the perp had soiled his pants as he crawled out the
> door.
>
> "I would have had an even worse mess to clean up if it had gone through
> his forehead," Taylor said. "It was good for both of us that it didn't."
>
> Meanwhile, back in Knox County, the word is out: Don't go messing with Smokey Taylor. He just bought a whole bunch of fresh ammo.

Tribune Editor Bill Fishburne is a member of the Larry Thorne Chapter
XXXIII of the Special Forces Association.

[Waleed Y. Majeed]

Well, guess the intruder should have known better than to choose a
"Torni" mans home!

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/larry-thorne.htm

I know totally out of context, but interesting never the less.


waleed

[pzrmeyer2]

Well, guess the intruder should have known better than to choose a
"Torni" mans home!

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/larry-thorne.htm

I know totally out of context, but interesting never the less.


waleed

Stud.

[Paddy Keating]

The London Ambulance Service sent this circular to ambulance crews. A former 7 RHA mate of mine showed it to me:

Subject: : Important safety notice




Security Warning -

We have received a warning from the London Ambulance Service of activities in their area. Whilst the below behaviour is not common place in our area I have spoken with Greater Manchester Police and their risk assessment of the action is to circulate it as a potential'
The London Ambulance service have units closely associated with the
Police based in South London who are basically Fighting Gang Crimes. The 'street gangs' in London (particularly South London at present, but it is sure to spread) have initiation tasks which new gang members have to carry out to be admitted to the 'gang'. The latest craze is to drive around, deliberately with no lights on their cars. The first person who 'flashes' them, points at them or sounds their horn at them, has to be followed by that new gang member in their car, who then has to fire a shot into that vehicle with no regard as to who is inside.

Our official instruction is that if we see a vehicle with no lights on,
we are NOT to 'flash' it etc. and the advice to friends and family is
that you should ignore any vehicles you see without lights. I would ask
that you pass this info on to all your family, friends and colleagues
and who knows, it may save a life.

As we can see, the confiscation of guns from thousands of sports shooters and collectors after people like Hamilton and, earlier, Ryan, went postal has vastly improved the situation in the UK. Now police can focus on all these street gangsters driving about with carloads of Glocks and Kalashnikovs. In the meantime, do not flash any cars driving about with their headlamps off if you live in London, even if they contain absent-minded grannies or drunken doctors.

PK

[Christoph Awender]

Of course arming all "good" people would save this above and all other problems. We will then shoot and not flash all vehicles with no lights on. I am thankfull that I don´t live in the world you want to have.

[phylo_roadking]

Christoph, I think the point here is not arming all citizens - but that the police should be doing their job better rather than having to tell the emergency services how to look after themselves...!

[Paddy Keating]

As a motorcyclist, I can assure you that I would certainly subject car drivers with no lights on at night to at least a kneecapping for the first offence and summary execution if caught a second time. Car drivers using cell phones on the move would get a bullet in the brain straight away...after being forced to stop the car so minimise the risk to other roadusers. Which is why I do not carry a firearm when I go out. Because I am a responsible person. And responsible people like me should be armed, because we are responsible.

PK

[pzrmeyer2]

Of course arming all "good" people would save this above and all other problems. We will then shoot and not flash all vehicles with no lights on. I am thankfull that I don´t live in the world you want to have.

well, since we all know you're not armed, how about supplying us with your address and a list of all high-end electronics items you own. I could use a new CD player. I'll let you keep all of your "Falco" collection....

[Reb]

I'm always a little worried that people want to take my guns away. Why would they? I've never shot anyone (in civilian life) and my weapons are a very necessary sort of "reset button" on the consitution. Can't be free if you are unarmed and your masters are armed. In the US its supposed to the reverse - but not for much longer...

It is my duty to be armed. And since the decline of western culture it has become a necessity.

I have to admit - while I carry legally now I in no way feel compelled to stop carrying because some treasonous, power hungry weasel of a politician says I can't. For those of you who feel no need for a weapon - fine. Just don't push your opinions on me using the sword of the state.

My Jewish allergist told me once that guns wouldn't have protected the Jews in Germany. I told him he was nuts. Shoot the first hundred or so Gestapo worthies who come to your door - the next hundred won't be so enthusiastic. (note - works with NKVD as well!)

What's really hilarious is that Bush, Clinton and the rest of that rabble in Washington a) want me to disarm, and b) prattle on continuously about the so called terrorist threat - they want me to be in fear, and to rely upon them (those useless wankers) for my safety. Sure...in a million years when hell has frozen over!

cheers
Reb

[phylo_roadking]

My Jewish allergist told me once that guns wouldn't have protected the Jews in Germany

Then he mustn't have been aware of THIS...

There are still 40,000 Jews in Berlin and despite the heavy blows dealt them they are still insolent and aggressive.

March 11, 1943, Goebbels' Diaries....!

Between that and three failed round-ups they were making themselves quite a headache to the authorities in Berlin during the war!