Hello to all ; a brief story..............................................
8.8cm Flak 18 (SFL) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz 8 ).
The concept of Bunkerflak was born in early 1938. In fact, the Heeres (German Army) wanted a weapon that could destroy enemy fortifications. The first version of the bunkerflak or Bufla was originally a Sd.Ah.201 auf Flak 18 modified and equipped with a shield towed by a Gepanzerte (armored) Zugkraftwagen 8 tons (Sd. Kfz 7). However, the Heeres-Waffenamt who oversaw the production of this version of the 88 decided to produce a second type of Bufla. In fact, it consisted of placing a 88 on the platform of a half-track type SdKfz 8 of 12 tons on DB9 chassis produced by Daimler-Benz.
During testing in the range of Kummersdorf on 23 August 1938, an officer of the Luftwaffe explained: "(...) During these tests, the high initial velocity due to the architecture of the piece and the use of piercing projectiles allowed to destroy in 30% of cases the targets between 800 to 900 meters with the first shot. Given these results, we can say that the 88 is not only able to beat small fortifications, but also can destroy a medium or heavy armored vehicle. Instead, it should be noted that the 88 gun modified in this way is no longer able to fight enemy aircraft. " This is the first time that was planned to use the 88 mm as an anti-tank weapon itself.
The first 10 vehicles were delivered during the winter 1938-39. However, these first 10 machines were also the last, in fact, another version of Bufla mounted on the chassis Famo of 18 tons was chosen.
In combat.
The Bufla was a success, were gathered in the 1. Kompanie of s.Pz.Jg.Abt.8, taking part in the Polish campaign in 1939. The commander, Hauptmann Frenzel said: "The machine allowed a good driving and good mobility. Placing the battery was fast and opening fire took only a few tens of seconds after the vehicle stopped. From this point of view, our machines are much better than the 88 mounted on a cruciform gun carriage. The mobility of our machines allowed to provide a good tactical versatility. We could change positions after two or three shots. Among other things, this allowed us not to suffer losses in Poland, the enemy artillery had no time to identify and adjust the shots on us. The infantry much appreciated our work and we are constantly asked to beat the fortifications, resistance nests or armored. In 21 days of fighting, we traveled 6,000 kilometers without having suffered any mechanical problem ".
The battery was reorganized in February 1940, composed now of 6 bufla, the other four were kept in reserve. During the Western campaign the unit provided support to the 1. and 2. Panzer and the company lost 2 Bufla. During Operation Barbarossa operated with the XXXIX AK Mot in front of Heeresgruppe Mitte. On January 29, 1942, it became in the Panzer-Jäger-Kompanie 601. But still lost two other vehicles since 22 June 1941. Finally, it was absorbed by the Panzer-Jäger-Abteilung 559 and became its 2. Kompanie. The latest operating vehicle disappeared at the end of March 1943.
Sources: http://ostfront.forumpro.fr/t267-le-bun ... n-antichar
http://forum.valka.cz/topic/view/30074/ ... kerknacker
http://www.ebay.de/itm/L59-Sd-Kfz-7-Gep ... 2236297655
Cheers. Raul M .
Bunkerknacker!
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Bunkerknacker!
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- First version of Bunkerknacker, a Sd.Ah.201 Flak 18 auf towed by a Sd. Kfz. 7 ...........................................
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- Second version, 8.8cm Flak 18 (Sfl) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz 8).......................................
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Serás lo que debas ser o no serás nada. General José de San Martín.
Re: Bunkerknacker!
Very good.
Thanks for posting.
Do you have anything similar on the SdKfz 9 mounted 88s?
Thanks for posting.
Do you have anything similar on the SdKfz 9 mounted 88s?
Thanks. Dave.
Re: Bunkerknacker!
Hello Dave ; what I could grasp over there...........................
8.8 cm Flak 18 (Sfl.) auf Zugkraftwagen 18t (Sd.Kfz. 9).
Another 15 self-propelled 88 Flak 18 were ordered in 1940, but this time placed onto a Sd Kfz 9 (18t FAMO) and the new vehicle was designated as 8.8 cm Flak 18 (Sfl.) auf Zugkraftwagen 18t (Sd.Kfz. 9). This time the entire cab was armored (although lighly -14.5 mm/0.57 in) and raised which limited the gun's ability to fire directly ahead. The vehicle also had fold down sides to increase the floor size around the gun; outriggers were necessary to brace the platform sides to support the weight of the gun crew. Unlike the 8.8cm Flak 18 (SFL) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz 8 ), the 88 Flak auf Zugkw 18t also can engage aerial targets.
The source states these vehicles were also with the 1./s.Pz Jäg Abt. 8 within the framework of the XXXIX AK Mot.
Source: Operation Barbarossa: the Complete Organisational and Statistical Analysis......Nigel Askey.
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/votw/18ton_88.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/56 ... c0a1cd.jpg
Cheers. Raúl M .
8.8 cm Flak 18 (Sfl.) auf Zugkraftwagen 18t (Sd.Kfz. 9).
Another 15 self-propelled 88 Flak 18 were ordered in 1940, but this time placed onto a Sd Kfz 9 (18t FAMO) and the new vehicle was designated as 8.8 cm Flak 18 (Sfl.) auf Zugkraftwagen 18t (Sd.Kfz. 9). This time the entire cab was armored (although lighly -14.5 mm/0.57 in) and raised which limited the gun's ability to fire directly ahead. The vehicle also had fold down sides to increase the floor size around the gun; outriggers were necessary to brace the platform sides to support the weight of the gun crew. Unlike the 8.8cm Flak 18 (SFL) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz 8 ), the 88 Flak auf Zugkw 18t also can engage aerial targets.
The source states these vehicles were also with the 1./s.Pz Jäg Abt. 8 within the framework of the XXXIX AK Mot.
Source: Operation Barbarossa: the Complete Organisational and Statistical Analysis......Nigel Askey.
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/votw/18ton_88.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/56 ... c0a1cd.jpg
Cheers. Raúl M .
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- The 8.8 cm Flak 18 (Sfl.) auf Zugkraftwagen 18t (Sd.Kfz. 9).............................
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- With the sides folded down................................
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Serás lo que debas ser o no serás nada. General José de San Martín.
Re: Bunkerknacker!
Hello to all ; a little more..............................................
8.8cm Flak 18 (Sfl) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz .
Sources: https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7671/272 ... 937d_b.jpg
http://www.ebay.co.at/sch/Sammeln-Selte ... w=flak+8+8
Any thoughts about the actions in Poland? Cheers. Raul M .
8.8cm Flak 18 (Sfl) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz .
Sources: https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7671/272 ... 937d_b.jpg
http://www.ebay.co.at/sch/Sammeln-Selte ... w=flak+8+8
Any thoughts about the actions in Poland? Cheers. Raul M .
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- Bunkerknacker 8.8cm Flak 18 (Sfl) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz 8) in action in Poland 1939 ..............................................................
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- A couple of 8.8cm Flak 18 (Sfl) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz 8) in France 1940 ..............................................................
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Serás lo que debas ser o no serás nada. General José de San Martín.
Re: Bunkerknacker!
Hello to all ; more....................................
8.8 cm Flak 18 (Sfl.) auf Zugkraftwagen 18t (Sd.Kfz. 9) - – variant with 88mm Flak gun for anti-tank duties.
Sources: Operation Barbarossa: the Complete Organisational and Statistical Analysis and Military Simulation. By Nigel Askey
Cheers. Raúl M .
8.8 cm Flak 18 (Sfl.) auf Zugkraftwagen 18t (Sd.Kfz. 9) - – variant with 88mm Flak gun for anti-tank duties.
Sources: Operation Barbarossa: the Complete Organisational and Statistical Analysis and Military Simulation. By Nigel Askey
Cheers. Raúl M .
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- http://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/germany/halftracks/sdkfz_9/sdkfz-9-with-88-mm-flak/
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- http://www.worldwarphotos.info/gallery/germany/halftracks/sdkfz_9/88-cm-flak-18-sfl-auf-zugkraftwagen-18t-sdkfz-9/
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Serás lo que debas ser o no serás nada. General José de San Martín.
Re: Bunkerknacker!
Hello to all ; more..............................................
8.8cm Flak 18 (SFL) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz 8 ).
Sources: https://www.ebay.at/sch/Sammeln-Seltene ... w=flak+8+8
Cheers. Raul M .
8.8cm Flak 18 (SFL) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz 8 ).
Sources: https://www.ebay.at/sch/Sammeln-Seltene ... w=flak+8+8
Cheers. Raul M .
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- The crew of this Bunkerknacker 8,8 cm Flak 18 (Sfl) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz 8) takes a break in the fight .....................................
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- An 8,8 cm Flak 18 (Sfl) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz 8) leads the way of a mechanized column .....................................................
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Serás lo que debas ser o no serás nada. General José de San Martín.
Re: Bunkerknacker!
Hello to all ; more..............................................
8.8cm Flak 18 (SFL) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz 8 ).
Sources: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/or ... 87a938.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/or ... 353235.jpg
http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/14/48/flak_810.jpg
Cheers. Raul M .
Feliz Navidad - Feliz Natal - Frohe Weihnachten - Joyeux Noël - Merry Christmas - Wesołych Świąt!.
8.8cm Flak 18 (SFL) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz 8 ).
Sources: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/or ... 87a938.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/or ... 353235.jpg
http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/14/26/14/48/flak_810.jpg
Cheers. Raul M .
Feliz Navidad - Feliz Natal - Frohe Weihnachten - Joyeux Noël - Merry Christmas - Wesołych Świąt!.
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- A Daimler Benz DB 10 Sdkfz 8 halftrack mounting a FlaK 18, designed on purpose against ground targets ..........................................
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- An 8.8 cm Flak 18 (Sfl) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz 8) during a stop in its march ....................................................
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- An 8.8 cm Flak 18 (Sfl) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz 8) in a French town in 1940 ..........................................
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Serás lo que debas ser o no serás nada. General José de San Martín.
Re: Bunkerknacker!
Hello to all ; more..............................................
8.8cm Flak 18 (SFL) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz .
In the Soviet Union, the Bufla with its experienced crews and 88 mm managed to make pay a high cost to Russian tanks. They operated with the XXXIX Panzer Korps on the Heeresgruppe Mitte front..................
Sources: http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Foto-SdKFZ-Halbk ... 1960130709
http://nektonemo.livejournal.com/4291429.html
Cheers. Raul M .
Feliz Navidad - Feliz Natal - Frohe Weihnachten - Joyeux Noël - Merry Christmas - Wesołych Świąt!.
8.8cm Flak 18 (SFL) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz .
In the Soviet Union, the Bufla with its experienced crews and 88 mm managed to make pay a high cost to Russian tanks. They operated with the XXXIX Panzer Korps on the Heeresgruppe Mitte front..................
Sources: http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Foto-SdKFZ-Halbk ... 1960130709
http://nektonemo.livejournal.com/4291429.html
Cheers. Raul M .
Feliz Navidad - Feliz Natal - Frohe Weihnachten - Joyeux Noël - Merry Christmas - Wesołych Świąt!.
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- An 8.8 cm Flak 18 (Sfl) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz 8) operating in a wooded area at the beginning of Barbarossa ............................................
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- An 8.8 cm Flak 18 (Sfl) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz 8) in a meeting area; in the foreground a vehicle with the emblem of the 3rd Armored Group .....................................
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Serás lo que debas ser o no serás nada. General José de San Martín.
Re: Bunkerknacker!
Hello to all ; more..............................................
8.8cm Flak 18 (SFL) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz .
Sources: http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Bunkerknacker-8- ... 1960130709
Cheers. Raul M .
8.8cm Flak 18 (SFL) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz .
Sources: http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Bunkerknacker-8- ... 1960130709
Cheers. Raul M .
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- An 8.8 cm Flak 18 (Sfl) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz 8) and his crew during a break in action ............................................
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Serás lo que debas ser o no serás nada. General José de San Martín.
Re: Bunkerknacker!
Hello to all ; more..............................................
8.8cm Flak 18 (SFL) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz .
Sources: http://imf.forum24.ru/?1-10-40-00000036-000-0-0
Cheers. Raul M .
8.8cm Flak 18 (SFL) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz .
Sources: http://imf.forum24.ru/?1-10-40-00000036-000-0-0
Cheers. Raul M .
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- An 8.8 cm Bunkerknacker Flak 18 (Sfl) auf Zukraftwagen 12t (Sd.Kfz 8) camouflaged in a waiting position ..........................................
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Serás lo que debas ser o no serás nada. General José de San Martín.
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Re: Bunkerknacker!
Hello Raul,
A destroyed one in France I think https://imgur.com/gallery/Cki0NMD
Kindly regards
Prosper
A destroyed one in France I think https://imgur.com/gallery/Cki0NMD
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Re: Bunkerknacker!
Would this be France 1940? or France 1944?..Were these even available in the French 1940 campaign?Prosper Vandenbroucke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:37 am Hello Raul,
A destroyed one in France I think
A destroyed one inFrance.jpg
https://imgur.com/gallery/Cki0NMD
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Re: Bunkerknacker!
They were produced in 1939 so yes to that and they certainly weren't in France in 1944 and even if they had been they wouldn't have been grey.
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According to some websites, the pic was token during Fall Gelb in 1940, other websites are talking about 1944.