Discussion on copyrights etc.
For a start I would like to say, that I am in total agreement that there is a thing called copyright, wich basicly says that you are not allowed to make money or exploit other peoples writing, Photographic material (Amateur photogaphs, by individual soldiers), artworks (Paintings, and War-correspondent photos etc.) and soforth. (I will not here, unless anyone wants it, go into the finer detailes of Photographic copyright rules, just note that, many books, (relating to Waffen-SS), are not within the law, regarding copyright and texts related to captions, but that’s another story.)
I also have to add that points and statements are copyrighted by and large. That basicly meens that most statements and OoBs on subjects/units, that is posted at Feldgrau is (more or less) breaking Copyright laws, UNLESS derived directly from original documents that are in their possesion, (or that they have directly access to), And/Or sources are clearly stated. This also apply to Feldgrau, even though Mr. Pipes superb forum has no commercial value. Ofcource it is illegal to post pictures of scanned texts or photographic material, to a public audience, but extracting points and quotationg from books in writing, with the correct sources attached, and contributing to the Forum, is the only way this forum can exist.
I am obviously in total agreement that one should always respect the incredible amount of time and effort put into researching a book, and I treasure people like Mr. Yerger and Mr. Moore who has/take the time to write interesting books on the Waffen-SS etc. Its very hard work, and therefore people should adhere to the Copyright laws! Therefore I, (with very few exceptions), write the appropiate source(s), with each writing, or limited contribution to the forum. I have the highest respect for both Mr. Yerger and Mr. Moore, for their astonnishing works, but I cannot come to term with the word “Sacrifice” in Mr. Moore’s posting. Sacrifice? Maybe my english linguistic understanding is somewhat simple, but If you do not enjoy research and writing, why not do something else? Its your priority to write. Its not someone else that has forced the task of writing, these great works on the Waffen-SS on you, is it? I will buy(/have bought), within my financial range, your books etc. and support you income and/or research funding, but it is still your priority to “sacrifice”, not mine.
I somehow feel that you are both barking up the wrong tree. I know that the initial post was ment to be some kind guideline(?), but instead you're stating that people here(?) are violating copyright,.. and that in a very counter-productive way. I for one, does not like this kind of lecturing, although I agree on all your mayor points. Why not (In sketch) write some of the basic copyright rules, and give the Members of the forum examples, (on Feldgrau, or elsewere), on people breaking Int. Copyright rules? This way you could make people aware of this problem, so they will take notice the next time the write etc., instead of just making all writing and contribution problematic.
As to the Xerox incident put forward in the first post, I have to agree with Mr. Yerger 110%. Why not buy the book(s) if you’re willing to bother the Author, with stupid tasks, as making copies of pages. But again this frustration should be directed to the low IQ’s that have asked these idiotic favors from you, and not the wast mayority of the Feldgrau members, including me, that respects your writings and contributions to the forum.
This said, I agree whole-heartedly with Mr. Pipes. A few pages for non-profit research should be “allowed”, or accepted. Ofcource any later publication of the researched material would have to be accepted by the original author (Qoutes and photographic material that is.) The mayor reason I think this copyright “breaking” should be accepted, (NOT including hole books!), is that researchers and readers by and large, are not, as Mr. Moore stated was also the case for authors, independently wealthy. I truly enjoy reasearching, but I’m quite aware that my budget could not hold up, should I decide to buy all the interesting/important books on a topic. If I need forx. 3-4 pages in a book, should I then not be allowed to research, unless I buy the book?! IMHO we use the forum in the first place, to help eachother understand the finer aspects of forx. The Waffen-SS, and this also meens directing eachother to primary/secondary research material. Again this is NOT a plead to xerox al materials, just some points or views on the matter of research material taken into consideration, and the possibilitys for people, that does not have access to, and/or afforts to buy, the whole range of material.
Like Mr. Yerger, Mr. Moore and Mr. Pipes wrote, people should have the commen courtesy to ASK the author, when he/she wants to use any material copyrighted in a book, or on a website. And when contributing to this forum, please state your sources, I think that it would respect Copyright AND ease the research a lot!
All the best
BTW: Kimmo! You have made an excellent post, that could be the start of
a great an very productive discussion on understanding, what can be considered your own research. Thanks