SS members after WWII

[DPR]

Hi all,

I´m interested to know about the places where had been exiliated SS or Heer members after war: Brazil, Argentina...
Can we trust on the story that several SS members create new "german colonies" in the Amazon jungle or argentinian Pampa where they can live without laws?
But they were under prosecution by Mossad, obviously!

Thanks a lot,

DPR

[JR]

why would the mossad be after them? the mossad only chased war criminals. an of the 600,000 waffen ss members less than 3% were war criminals.

JR

[panzermahn]

Hi all

During the cold war, a number of Waffen SS veterans were utilized or collaborated with the Western Allies intelligence against the Soviets. For example, Alfons Rebane, the famous Estonian SS colonel were actually working with the MI6 to help the Forest Brothers in their unequal struggle against the oppression by the Soviets.

A number of Waffen SS veterans joined the French Foreign Legion at fought during the Indochina War. French Waffen SS veterans also joined the BILOM whereas the Dutch Waffen SS veterans were given the option to fight in Indonesia and Korea to regain back their rights.

A number of Belarus SS Brigade veterans were enlisted in the Gehlen Organization controlled by Reinhard Gehlen during the cold war

A number of Italian SS veterans became part of the Gladio section in Italy, be prepared to counteract if the day of the proletarian revolution happens which it wasn't.

There were murders of Waffen SS veterans such as the infamous murder of Joachim Peiper by French Bolsheviks, Tzerim Soobokov by members of an ethnic terrorist group. I remember that there was a French veteran of the Charlemagne Division who was murdered by unknown assassins in Argentina.

There were even persecution of a Danish Waffen SS veteran, Soren Kam, holder of the Knights Cross, for an alleged murder case until today where Denmark requested extradition of Kam from Germany but Germany refused as Kam was a naturalized German citizen.

regards
Panzermahn

[phylo_roadking]

A number of Italian SS veterans became part of the Gladio section in Italy, be prepared to counteract if the day of the proletarian revolution happens which it wasn't.

Incorrect. Gladio was the clandestine NATO "stay-behind" operation in Italy after World War II, intended to counter an eventual Warsaw Pact invasion of Western Europe. Although Gladio specifically refers to the Italian branch of the NATO stay-behind organisations, "Operation Gladio" is used as an informal name for all stay-behind organisations, sometimes called "Super NATO".

[panzermahn]

Incorrect. Gladio was the clandestine NATO "stay-behind" operation in Italy after World War II, intended to counter an eventual Warsaw Pact invasion of Western Europe. Although Gladio specifically refers to the Italian branch of the NATO stay-behind organisations, "Operation Gladio" is used as an informal name for all stay-behind organisations, sometimes called "Super NATO".

Hi Phylo,

I wouldn't say it is exactly incorrect. You must remember that Warsaw Pact existed only in 1955 whereas Gladio were originally existed back in 1948 where it was first coordinated by the Clandestine Committee of the Western Union (CCWU). One must remember, the Western Allies were apprehensive because from their assessment on the CLN (Committee of National Liberation) where it was dominated by Italian bolsheviks. A lot of Italian partisans were not returning arms to the Western Allies after the capitulation of Germany and kept it hidden in several caches around the country. The Italian Communist Party led by Stalinist Palmiro Togliatti was the largest political organization of Bolsheviks in Western Europe. During the late 1940s (from 1945-1949), it was the partisans who let loose and launched their epuration against fascists, pro-fascists, their sympathizers as well as their families. Even the Carabinieri was outnumbered at certain region by the Polizei Partigiani (Partisans' Police). The chief of the OSS, Allen Dulles realised that former members of the Italian SS legion as well as other anti-Bolshevik Italians could be some sort of use to counterbalance the Bolshevik threat of taking political power in post-war Italy.

The Italian Bolshevik partisans were waiting for the day of the proletarian revolution to happen (as evidenced by short-lived Bolshevik Republic of Montefiorino in 1945, orchestrated by Armando Ricci who fled ignominiously when German and RSI troops attacked the "republic") by using the chaos and anarchy situation of the capitulation of Germany to take over political power in Italy (which were evidenced why the epuration in Italy were directed not only to those who were fascists but also to those non-Bolshevik anti-fascists). The first generation members of the Gladio, were consisted of former Italian SS members, ex-RSI forces such as those from Decima X Naval Commandos led by Prince Borghese, ex-Folgore paratrooopers, Alpini troopers as well royalist troops who were anti-Bolsheviks. Thanks to the resolute determination of the Western Allies, Gladio as well as the Carabinieri (who maintaned their loyalty to the state of Italy, despite threats and assassinations by the Bolsheviks) who frustrated the proletarian revolution desired by the Italian bolsheviks which was a clear and present danger at those times, albeit behind the scenes. Not forgetting, low intensity operations by the Stella Alpina (one of the 5 branches of the Gladio section in Italy), at the borders of Italy-Yugoslavia, hampered the territorial ambitions of Tito, who wanted Trieste for Yugoslavia. In the 1970s and 1980s, it was the Red Brigades, which were the spiritual and moral descendents of these Bolsheviks, launched their terroristic campaign, and which the Gladio used it to their advantage during the heydays of the "Strategia della Tensione" of the Cold War.

Which is why when the Soviet Union collapsed in the 1991, the Bolshevik ideology was left in a vaccum and void, resulting these remnants of Red Brigades, void in their own directions, reduced their terroristic campaign to achieved monetary gains instead of political ambitions of their forebears. Therefore it was justified, that the aims of Gladio had been successful, even at the cost of innocent civilians lives which were part of the collateral damage endured during the period of Strategia della Tensione.

Panzermahn

[Helmut]

Servus,
My grandfather, who hadbeen in the Prinz Eugen told the story of French recruiters coming though the POW camps seeking recruits for the FFL. They didn't get many takers and those that went, they never heard from them again.
My father who was a POW in Great Britain said that the Brits tried to recruit some of them who were veterans of the Rusian front, to be instructors in cold weather warfare.

Regrds,

Helmut