Can somebody help me to understand one document (Panzerlage)

[Panzeralex]

Hello all
Can somebody help me to understand one document - Panzerlage XXXXVIII Pz.K. on 10.7.43 and 11.7.43, because I don't understand what does it mean numbers:1,2.3 ...
For example, I know, that,
G. - it's 11 Pz.D.
H. - it's Grossdeutchland
J. - it's 3 Pz.D.
N40 - it's Panzer Regiment von Lauchert.

and I think, that this document describe kind of damage various panzers.

link to document:
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3240 ... 743yh0.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7025 ... 743bd0.jpg

Best regards,
Panzeralex

[Tom Houlihan]

I'm not sure where those links took me, because it was all Cyrillic, but I did recognize "404," which is usually an error!

[Panzeralex]

Hi Tom Houlihan
Thanks for you reply,
now I'm edit my post.

Best regards,
Panzeralex

[Rich]

Hello all
Can somebody help me to understand one document - Panzerlage XXXXVIII Pz.K. on 10.7.43 and 11.7.43, because I don't understand what does it mean numbers:1,2.3 ...
For example, I know, that,
G. - it's 11 Pz.D.
H. - it's Grossdeutchland
J. - it's 3 Pz.D.
N40 - it's Panzer Regiment von Lauchert.

and I think, that this document describe kind of damage various panzers.

Hi Alex,

I have never seen this report before, where did it come from? Without having the key my best guess is that it is describing the types by on hand/operational, short-term repair/repairs required, long-term repair/repairs required. So for N40 I would guess that for 10 July it is:

16. - 162 Panther on hand
17. - 31 Panther operational
18. - 104 Panther in short-term repair
19. - summary of short-term repairs required
20. - 27 Panther in long-term repair
21. - summary of long-term repairs required

So then:
2. on hand - Panzer III (l)?
3. operational
4. short-term repair
5. summary
6. long-term repair
7. summary

9. on hand - Panzer IV (l)?
10. operational
11. short-term repair
12. summary
13. long-term repair
14. summary

23. on hand - Tiger?
24. operational
25. short-term repair
26. summary
27. long-term repair
28. summary

Note that the intervening numbers (1., 8., 15., 22., and so on) are not used and those may have been the lines identifying the type in the original report key, so transmitting them in these reports would have been redundant. If you match the numbers to the divisions for the particular days from other reports you should get a close enough correlation to determine the types being reported.

Hope that helps.

[Panzeralex]

Hi Rich!
Thank you for your answer and your think.
I don't have a key and ask help on forum.
Source: T313 R366.

Something else:
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/6900 ... 270gy3.jpg
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/4674 ... 277tz4.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8199 ... 282oz1.jpg

Best regards,
Panzeralex

[Rich]

Hi Rich!
Thank you for your answer and your think.
I don't have a key and ask help on forum.
Source: T313 R366.

Something else:
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/6900 ... 270gy3.jpg

This appears to be the standard key in use during 1943. It is:
A/Flammpanzer
B/PzIII (l)
C/PzIII (k)
D/PzIV (k)
E/PzIV (l)
F/Panther
G/Tiger
H/PzBef
J/StHaub
K/StuG

It changed in late 1943 or early 1944, I'll see if I can dig the later one out as well.

[Panzeralex]

Rich, no, D., E., F., G., H., J. in this and another link it's a name of Divisions:
http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/6900 ... 270gy3.jpg
D. -It's Totenkopf, 1. - it's combat-ready Pz. III, 8. - it's combat-ready Pz. IV, 22. - it's combat ready Pz. VI, 29. - it's combat-ready StuG.
E. -it's Das Reich.
F. - it's LAH
G. - it's 11 Pz.D.
H. - it's Grossdeutchland
J. - it's 3 Pz.D.
But I don't understand for another two links (about numbers).
What do you think about its.

Best regards,
Panzeralex

[Rich]

Rich, no, D., E., F., G., H., J. in this and another link it's a name of Divisions:9snip) But I don't understand for another two links (about numbers).
What do you think about its.

Best regards,
Panzeralex

Oh, okay, I see. About the only think I can think is to take other data on vehicles operational for these units and try to match it for these days. So check the Kursk Database figures or some of the other German documents and see of you can find a match. Otherwise you have to hope to find the key.