Hi Guys, two years ago my good friend Michi posted this and it still remains a mystery:
Michi posted this:
"According Errata of Tessin:
*26.10.1942 with 3 coys Pz. 38(t) und 1 coy Pz.SpahWg.
Jan. 1943 aufgerieben
On 01.02.1943 remains to PzRgt. 25 and dissolved.
A: 2. Armee: Gen. Kom. z.b.V. Cramer, 2.ung. Armee, Hgr. B
According to Jentz:
*16.10.1942 with 3 coys Pz.38 (t0 and 1 coy Pz. IV
On 01.02.1943 remains to Pz.Regt. 35 and dissolved.
A: planned: 16 InfDiv (mot)
So there are a few contradicting things in both sources.
A.) Date of forming PzVbd 700?
B.) OOB of PzVbd 700??
C.) Remnant of PzVbd 700 to which PzRgt??
D.) Attachment of PzVbd 700 to ??
Which Source is correct?
Who was CO of the PzVbd 700??
Why was it called Verband (unit) not Abteilung (battalion)?"
Then there was a short post by Robert Wesby:
"Michi, Nafziger shows PzVbd 700 was disbanded on Feb. 1 1943 and incorporated into Panzer regment 35 of the 4th Panzer regiment."
So, can we all join together and try to solve the mystery of Panzerverband 700? (P.S., No, Michi didn't put me up to this! )
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Ah, here's a tidbit from Kurowski's "Sturmgeschutze Vor", page 63:
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What I love about this is that a mystery Panzer Verband was attached to a mystery Panzer Division!!!!On 4 November, the battalion (StuG Abt. 201) was attached to the 27th Panzer Division along with Panzer Verband 700 (Panzer-Spah-Kompanie 700).
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Now here's a thought--it is fairly well known that 27th Panzer was formed from parts of 22nd Panzer, which was later trapped in the Stalingrad Kessel. Is it possible that Panzerverband 700 was simply a Panzer-Spah-Kompanie until it's attachment to 27th Panzer?
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Speaking of not posting anything if you can't be helpful.........Geesh!
Hi Dav...er Commissar!
According to the history of the 27 Panzerdivision by Stoves (and my somewhat fragile translation of same) , Panzerverband 700 was created from elements of 10 I.D.(mot), 11 Pz.D., & 19 Pz.D. and intended for 16 I.D.(mot). It was apparently topped off with personnel from 14 Pz.D. and 24 Pz.D. and diverted to them (27 Pz.D.) on November 4, 1942. That's all I've decifered at this point, I'll let you know if there's more tomorrow.
Jerry
Hi Dav...er Commissar!
According to the history of the 27 Panzerdivision by Stoves (and my somewhat fragile translation of same) , Panzerverband 700 was created from elements of 10 I.D.(mot), 11 Pz.D., & 19 Pz.D. and intended for 16 I.D.(mot). It was apparently topped off with personnel from 14 Pz.D. and 24 Pz.D. and diverted to them (27 Pz.D.) on November 4, 1942. That's all I've decifered at this point, I'll let you know if there's more tomorrow.
Jerry
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Commrad Commissar,
Same source indicates OOB, Panzerverband 700= staff, a Pz. reconnaissance kp.; three le. Pz. Kp./Skoda-38 (t), one mittl. Pz. kp. (German Pz III and IV) and le Pz work platoon (mot).
Still trying to determine commander, and if/when Panzerverband was detached from 27 Pz.Div., will advise later.
Jerry
Same source indicates OOB, Panzerverband 700= staff, a Pz. reconnaissance kp.; three le. Pz. Kp./Skoda-38 (t), one mittl. Pz. kp. (German Pz III and IV) and le Pz work platoon (mot).
Still trying to determine commander, and if/when Panzerverband was detached from 27 Pz.Div., will advise later.
Jerry
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Hi Comrade Jerry!! I have this from a 2001 post by Comrade Greg:
Best Regards, David
Now, of course I've lost the post this replied to, but it seems to imply that Oberleutnant Waldow was commander, at least, of PanzerVerBand 700's Spah-Panzer Kompanie.by Greg:
Title: RTK WALDOW FROM PANZER VERBAND 700 FUTURE ASSIGNMENTS
"OL Waldow was with the Panzeraufklarungs from almost its inception. He was definitely a member of the aufklarung Lehr Abt. at Doberitz in 1939. He may even have served in it's forerunner, the Kavallerie und Versuchs Lehr Abt.
he was the Commander of the 1. "LehrSchwadron"/ ALA after OL Winter. Under Winter he served in Poland and France. In Russia, it would be called "Kompanie Waldow" PzVbd 700 with the 2nd Ungarian Armee.
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Comrade C,
Your post about Waldow got me to thinking...... so I searched the unit# field of the RKT database and... voilà: Major Kurt Hassel, RK on 17 June '43 as Kdr. Panzerverband 700!
Don't know if he was Kdr. in late '42, but maybe.
Hopefully I can do some more translating tonight.
Jerry
Your post about Waldow got me to thinking...... so I searched the unit# field of the RKT database and... voilà: Major Kurt Hassel, RK on 17 June '43 as Kdr. Panzerverband 700!
Don't know if he was Kdr. in late '42, but maybe.
Hopefully I can do some more translating tonight.
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Waldow = co PzSp Kp
And another thing.
Waldow Hermann; Heer; Oberleutnant; Pz.Späh-Kp. 700; RK 30. Januar 1943 !!!
From http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Ord ... /RKW-R.htm
Sooo, he indeed was the CO of the PzSp Kp.!
Best,
Abel
Look at this:Now, of course I've lost the post this replied to, but it seems to imply that Oberleutnant Waldow was commander, at least, of PanzerVerBand 700's Spah-Panzer Kompanie.
Waldow Hermann; Heer; Oberleutnant; Pz.Späh-Kp. 700; RK 30. Januar 1943 !!!
From http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Ord ... /RKW-R.htm
Sooo, he indeed was the CO of the PzSp Kp.!
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