4 Panzer Division 1941

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4 Panzer Division 1941

Post by RobertH » Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:48 pm

Hello everyone,

I am looking for the name of the Ic officer during the initial period of war of operation Barbarossa. I went through most of the files of 4 Panzer Division on microfilm, most known books (neumann, SR33, SR12, AR103, etc), but untill now I can not find the name of this perticular officer. Any suggestion for (unconventional) ways to retrieve the name?

I have the name of the Ia and the Ib, but Ic is more critical for my research.

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Robert

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Re: 4 Panzer Division 1941

Post by Jan-Hendrik » Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:02 pm

The latter DKiS-Träger Lt./Hptm Jörg von Götz und Schwanenfließ (from 6.11.40-00.00.45)...per Scherzer :wink:

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Re: 4 Panzer Division 1941

Post by Jerry » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:13 am

Well, FWIW Wegmann/Zweng have something a bit different:

27.04.40 - Hptm Albrecht Kleinschmidt
06.11.44 - Hptm Jörg v.Goetz u Schwanenfleiß
01.02.45 - Olt. Papst

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:28 am

I rather trust Scherzer, his research is more actual, wider spread and more in deep then the Wegmann/Zweng editions :wink:

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Re: 4 Panzer Division 1941

Post by RobertH » Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:00 pm

Thanks you both for replying! Now I can continue again.

Many thanks,

Robert

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:14 am

According to his Karteikarte Kleinschmit was Ic from April 1940 till July 1942 :idea:

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Re: 4 Panzer Division 1941

Post by Jerry » Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:50 am

Jan-Hendrik wrote:According to his Karteikarte Kleinschmit was Ic from April 1940 till July 1942 :idea:

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So, Scherzer is wrong and (gasp!) Wegmann/Zweng is correct...hummm. :shock: Well, more correct anyway.


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Re: 4 Panzer Division 1941

Post by Jan-Hendrik » Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:54 am

Well, I give up to trust anyone but primary sources :D :beer:

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Re: 4 Panzer Division 1941

Post by Jerry » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:17 am

:beer: Yes indeed!

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Re: 4 Panzer Division 1941

Post by Jan-Hendrik » Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:36 pm

A good source online is this one by the Kameradschaft of Pz.Rgt.35:

http://panzerregiment35.blogspot.com/

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Re: 4 Panzer Division 1941

Post by Jerry » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:29 am

Yes, an excellent source J-H, thanks for sharing.

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Re: 4 Panzer Division 1941

Post by RobertH » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:25 am

Thanks! The photos are excellent!

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