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Whatever time the Sea Lion would have gone in I do not believe the Admiralty considered to send their large ships to the vicinity of the Channel. Too close to the main German bomber forces.Florin wrote:My personal opinion: if the invasion would be attempted in June-July 1940, BEFORE making sure that the Royal Air Force was terminated, it would succeed in geting a bridgehead in the south of England. The British battleships coming from Scotland would be vulnerable to aerial attacks and submarines.
Indeed I perhaps should have emphasised or expanded on why it was considered unnecessary and indeed potentially wasteful. British light units were more than up to the task.phylo_roadking wrote:Despite the Sandhurst Games - Forbes never intended to send the Home Fleet further south than Great Yarmouth, and steadfastly refused for the fleet to exercise with the Army and practice ground directed fire support from the sea. The Channel's various obstacles - many, many sandbars and shallows....and BOTH sides' minefields - prevented the Home Fleet operating there.
Instead - the RN formed three 12 -destroyer-strong anti-invasion flotillas based at Chatham, Portsmouth and SOuthampton, each with a cruiser flagship; in edition, there were 350-400 coastal craft of the RN....and the 600 armed yatchs and fishingboats of the Auxiliary Patrol along the South Coast - these latter many hundreds of smaller, lighter armed vessels were of shallow enough draft to operate IN the Royal Navy's Channel minefields
As a previous poster has suggested very unlikely. For instance how many squadrons of torpedo bombers did the LW have? How many squadrons trained in naval attack? Also note the losses inflicted on the LW during this period on slow unarmed or barely armed merchants. Then there's the over tasking of the LW in general ....Florin wrote:What happened on 10 December 1941 off the east coast of Malaya, near Kuantan, the capital of Pahang, would have happened 17 months earlier off the coast of Dover.
The predereadnoughts certainly....and several of the others almost certainly...were combed out of men, stripped of crews almost entirely, to provide KM handling crews for the barges and freighters in the invasion fleet. Lutjens foresaw this as a major issue when it was proposed to sail the two predreadnoughts to England and ground them in sight of the invasion beaches to act as artillery support....!AS for the KM heavy units http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=1145 lists 3 light cruisers, Scheer, Hipper, and a couple of predreadnaughts. The KM had however ruled out using the predreadnaughts and the light cruisers acompanied by some liners got to play tag with home fleet.
You are mentioning September, October... If there was ever an excellent moment to invade Great Britain, it was in June or July.lwd wrote: ....................
Looking at http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ships/index.html
http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ ... tions.html
Sheer is conducting trials during most of this period and so not likely available and
Hipper comes out of the repair yard in early September and suffers an engine failure in late September that puts her back in the yard until the end of October. Since her role was planned to be a sortie if it comes off she is unlikely to survive the engine failure.
Note none of the above were actually planned to acompany, escort, or support the invasion fleet directly.
unfortunately....You are mentioning September, October... If there was ever an excellent moment to invade Great Britain, it was in June or July.