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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 5:59 am
by Abel Ravasz
Hi,
I have got some more questions:
1.) What was the name of the main KG of the 14. Pz at the time of the Uranus offensive? Because I know that the infantry was called KG Seeydlitz and was displaced inside Stalingrad, the artillery was in KG Ludwig as part of Pz Res Heim (XXXXVIII. PzK), and also KG Sauvant and Sauerbruch belonged to the division. But I don't know the name for the main group of the unit, t.i. the Pz Reg and the div.einh.
2.) Back to our beloved Gr Goebel/Adam/Abraham. After Goebel was replaced by Adam, did he become the commander of a KG? Because in Michi's OOB for Armee Wenck there is a KG Goebel in the ranks of Gr Adam.
3.) KG Gabelenz, as part of Gr Adam. Gabelenz was the CO of 384. ID, and Gr Adam was part of 384. ID. ANY hint about what this KG Gabelenz was?
Best,
Abel
Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 10:10 am
by Michi
I quote:
Auch im Stabe der „Armee Wenck“ herrschte am Abend gedämpfter Optimismus.
Nachdem Oberst Wenck von einem Frontbesuch zurückgekehrt war, erkundigte er sich nach dem derzeitigen Stand der Dinge.
Sein Ia, Oberstleutnant Hörst, berichtete:
„Der Aufbau der Tschir-Front .....
... Als rechter Eckpfeiler wird der Brückenkopf von WERCHNE TSCHIRSKAYA gehalten, mit der Fortsetzung der Front entlang des DON-Flusses...
... Die Front nach Süden entlang des DON-Flusses hält die „Division“ Adam mit der
Kampfgruppe Mikosch
Kampfgruppe Goebel
Kampfgruppe Sauerbruch
Kampfgruppe von der Gabelens.“
Here you can see, Hauptmann Goebel was again CO of a battle-group, within the Gruppe/Division Adam.
Another story is the Kampfgruppe von der Gabelens.
I have 3 sources which mention a Kampfgruppe von der Gabelens.
B.U.T. also mention the CO of the 384. InfDiv as Generalleutnant Gablenz.
MfG Michi
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 7:10 am
by Michi
Battle-groups @ Kalmyck-Steppe:
Kampfgruppen in der Kalmücken-Steppe:
Today I received a map showing a Gruppe von Roques, instead of the known Gruppe Auleb??
Who was von Roques?
Who was the successor of whom?
or did both Gruppen exist in the same area and same time??
Any infos about OOB & T/O&E??
MfG Michi
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 11:18 pm
by jmark
Hi Michi,
I guess von Roques was probably General der Infanterie z.V. Karl von Roques, listed as "K.G. d. Sich.Tr. und Befehlshaber im rückwärtigen Heeresgebiet Süd." He undertook this role from 16. March 1941 to December 1942.
Roques, Karl von
Born 7. May 1880 in Frankfurt/Main.
Died 24. December 1949 in Landsberg/Lech while in American captivity.
If interested, I can give his career details as found in Keilig's book.
Auleb was Generalleutnant Helge Auleb. From 10. June 1942, he was "General z.b.V. bei Heeresgruppe A". Next entry in Keilig says: Gruppe 'Auleb' (Kaukusus) 20.12.42, following that it says: Abschnitt Kommando 'Auleb' (Krim) 1.2.43. Hope all that makes sense to you. Let me know if you want his other details.
Jason Mark
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 5:16 am
by jmark
Hi Michi,
While looking for Panzerverband 700 documents, I came across others which relate to Kampfgruppen SW of Stalingrad.
In the war diary of 4. Panzerarmee, I found some casualty figures for individual Kampgruppen while subordinate to 4. Panzerarmee. The dates in brackets are the period in which the unit was sub. to 4. Panzerarmee, and therefore the period in which the casualties occured.
Kpf.Gr.Stahel (24.12.-27.12.42)
1 Offz killed, 1 Offz wounded
22 men killed, 37 men wounded
Kpf.Gr.Adam (4.12.-9.12.42)
6 Offz killed, 21 Offz wounded, 1 Offz missing
146 men killed, 696 men wounded, 29 men missing
Kpf.Gr.Hallmann (4.12.-9.12.42)
1 Offz missing
6 men wounded, 3 men missing
Kpf.Gr.Burgsthaler (18.12.-25.12.42)
4 men killed, 4 men wounded, 1 man missing
Kpf.Gr.Stumpfeld (13.12.-24.12.42)
4 Offz killed, 2 Offz wounded
67 men killed, 254 men wounded
336.Inf.Div. (5.12.-31.12.42)
18 Offz killed, 23 Offz wounded, 5 Offz missing
257 men killed, 672 men wounded, 138 men missing
384.Inf.Div. (5.12.-31.12.42)
13 Offz killed, 22 Offz wounded, 7 Offz missing
158 men killed, 572 men wounded, 274 men missing
Unfortunately, nothing about Panzerverband 700 or other Kampfgruppen in which you're interested.
Jason Mark
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 5:38 am
by jmark
Found another one. This time it's an OOB for Gruppe v. Stumpfeld. It does not have a date on it but it must be from late 1942.
Division HQ - v. Stumpfeld
Regiment Schmidt
Abteilung Korherr (7 Offz, 49 Uffz, 344 men)
with 2 Kompanien
Abteilung Eisenacker (0 Offz, 45 Uffz, 191 men)
with 1 Kompanie
Abteilung Lindner (3 Offz, 33 Uffz, 211 men)
with 2 Kompanien
Abteilung Kamenberg (4 Offz, 66 Uffz, 354 men)
with 3 Kompanien
Abteilung Schöne (5 Offz, 7 Uffz, 133 men)
with 2 Kompanien
Regiment Selle
Abteilung v.Buddenbrock
with 4 Kompanien
Abteilung Engert
with 3 Kompanien
(Combined manpower for both Abteilungen was 296 Offz, Uffz and men)
Also 10 5cm guns
2 4.7cm guns
7 7.5cm guns
6 2cm guns
4 8.8cm guns
1 15cm Feldhaubitze
Morosowskaya IV (230 Offz, Uffz and men)
with 3 Kompanien
2 3.7cm guns
3 2cm guns
2 8.8cm guns
Charkow II with
2 4.7cm guns
3 5cm guns
1 8.8cm gun
5 le. MG
Panzer
Kompanie Abendrot [from Panzer-Abteilung 301]
2 Panzer III kz (früher 9 Panzer)
Artillerie
2 10.5cm Feldhaubitze
1 le. Feldhaubitze
(ohne Rundblickfernrohr)
Elements of 9. Flak-Division im Abschnitt Stumpfeld
2 8.8cm guns
9 le. guns
(Die anderen Teile bei 384.ID)
Jason Mark
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:06 am
by Michi
A HUGE THANK YOU to Jason!!!
MfG Michi