my bet I missed that line. btw total number of deaths ( or irrevocable casualties rather) in the Soviet Armed Forces -including thouse who died in POW camps is 11 444,100Russ Schulke wrote:Typically the word casualties in military terms denotes, KIA (Killed in action), MIA (Missing in action), WIA (Wounded in action) and POW (prisoner of war).
No,I do not believe I missing anything, that number is reflected in missing in action or captured: 4,455,620.
http://www.fireonthevolga.com/Red%20Arm ... -1945.html
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Russian Penal Battalions
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Re: Missing in action or captured (4,455,620)
Re: I got more....
http://216.198.255.120/russianpart/ruspenalbat.htmloleg wrote:
where did you do your reserach?????????
I also checked a lot of other sites on Google. I cannot recall each and everyone of them.
I am always willing to read more stuff if you got it. If what was stated is wrong than perhaps you have some better sources (that are in english. Otherwise I would require them translated)
Cheers
Re: I got more....
Rokosvskiy was freed in early 1940. The first unit he got under his command during that year was 5th Cvalry Corps. He was put in charge of newly created 9th Mechanized Corps on November 28th 1940. he was in charge of this unit till July 11th 1941. He was put in chrage of the 16th Army on August 8 1941.TheFerret wrote:http://216.198.255.120/russianpart/ruspenalbat.htmloleg wrote:
where did you do your reserach?????????
I also checked a lot of other sites on Google. I cannot recall each and everyone of them.
I am always willing to read more stuff if you got it. If what was stated is wrong than perhaps you have some better sources (that are in english. Otherwise I would require them translated)
Cheers
P.s 9th MC consited of 20th tank divison 32 tank divison and 9th motorized divsion. CO of 20th TD was future commander 1st Guards tank Army Mikahil Katukov.
Re: Russian Penal Battalions
Penal battalions seemed to have been armed just as well as anyone else in the Red Army. The machineguns behind you, was part of the no step back policy, which applied to the ENTIRE army. It encouraged harsh measures, but it simply isn't true that it was carried out to the letter all the time. Come to think of it, nearly all armies do that sort of thing.
Most soldiers who served in penal battalions were there for breaches of military discipline. Stripped of ranks and decorations, expected to go the extra mile. Former POWs and such, who were considered unreliable, were sent to penal battalions, in order to prove themselves. Less common, but more romantic in the public mind, were criminals who volunteered as a way out of the camps. Another element were political undesirables, such as Poles. The really dangerous criminals and political prisoners were NOT sent to the front.
Officers were usually very good and were offered many incentives to serve. They were not criminals.
The soldier would be transfered out upon fulfillment of their objective, or upon injury.
Most soldiers who served in penal battalions were there for breaches of military discipline. Stripped of ranks and decorations, expected to go the extra mile. Former POWs and such, who were considered unreliable, were sent to penal battalions, in order to prove themselves. Less common, but more romantic in the public mind, were criminals who volunteered as a way out of the camps. Another element were political undesirables, such as Poles. The really dangerous criminals and political prisoners were NOT sent to the front.
Officers were usually very good and were offered many incentives to serve. They were not criminals.
The soldier would be transfered out upon fulfillment of their objective, or upon injury.