I can see I'm going to need to stick to the facts when debating with you...I went all patriotic in that post...I believe Scotland to be a powerful and influential nation, where as my brain know's this is pure fantasy
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(As much as I hate to say it, I truly believe England is a powerful, inflential nation...politically, financially, it's military, sports teams even...england is a powerful nation)
About Darien...Independance isn't sailing off in a boat into the wilderness this time...Fair point, but I think we have evolved somewhat.
I think Scotland would have alot to gain from Independance...It probably will be under the EU as you say, but I dont like to argue along those lines as I believe all of the countries in the UK would be better off out of the EU. I know there is alot of benefits to being in, I just believe we should govern all our own affairs. (The fisheries taking a raping from the EU hasn't helped my view any)
Within the EU, I could only see financial gain...I could be horribly wrong, but I truly believe that we would be a richer nation on our own, but right along side that, alot of changes within our public sector would have to take place. I'm also not 100% sure a fledgling republic could flourish under the EU...there is alot of emphasise in the EU on the people anyway, but in a much more far flung, compromising sense.
Ie - I really dont care where Spanish trawlers fish, That is their problem. But they should not be fishing within our waters or causing the EU to cut back on our quota's, so the Spanish can fufill their quota's.
(Not getting at the Spanish in any big way...they are just one of the offenders in this instance.)
In short, we should sort ourselves out first, and then help others. I dont like how the EU has to try and make, and keep too many people happy - I think someone will always get a worse deal than they would of had they dealt with their own affairs in entirity.
Finally, I'd just like to say I'm throughly enjoying this discussion, I hope you are too, and dont just see me an an obtuse, blowhard patriot
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Cheers,