Klemen, na zalost mi bos moral oprostiti nekaj dnevno odsotnost z internat in nezmoznost, da odgovorim na tvoje vprasanje. Kot sem ze v nekaterih svojih prejsnih odgovorih poudaril, sem trenutno dokaj zaposlen z raznimi "house and work chores", pa me zadnje par dni internet ni kaj dosti mikal.
Dejstvo, da sem danes naletel na tvoje sporocilo, da imas predstavitev svoje naloge ze jutri, me je nekak preprical, da si verjetno zelis, da ti posljem "corrigo errata" cimprej, kajne?
First of all, and I hope you don't mind me doing this, I'm going to answer at some of your previous petty sub-questions and to some other questions of yours which I have found in other sections of this board.
Natanko vem od kod si dobil ta podatek, Klemen, heheTa podatek sem dobil v Ferencevi knjigi "Satan, njegovo delo in smrt" na str. 130, 132, 135,...
Kar te sprašujem tukaj je, če si 100% prepričan, ali je ta podatek pravilen ali ne? Kolikor se jaz spomnim je ta podatek pricurljal iz pricevanje nekega ocividca oz. ocevidke dogodka na Sebreljah.
I guess Marko has probably already told you the full story of Simon Grascher, but I believe, speaking this here by heart without any documents in front of me, his mother was a Carinthian Slovene, while father was either a Russian or a German soldier from WWI.Marko or Klemen, do you guys know the origin of his parents?
I have first found his name in a book about Waffen-SS Ritterkreuz Traegers, and seeing that he was from Temenica in Carinthia of course got me interested. I have then asked a friend of mine from Sentivda na Glini (:D) and he has cheched for some additional information about this man for me. This would pretty much be the whole story.That's the one. I'm just a bit curious where did you get his name, maybe on TRF. Anyway I'll post the original info with some additions shortly. BTW I had no luck with Mlinar.
Sorry, it is not Andreas Mlinar, but STEFAN MLINAR. He was a Gebirgsjaeger Officer, born in Judenburg, Austria. Again sorry for the mistake.
Or maybe not... he,he I guess I automatically assumed you must be a Slovene being interested in Slovene Military History of World War II. Besides that your first name doesn't sound to me German, Italian or French at all, hehe
The SS-Karstwehr Battalion, later expanded into the 24th Waffen Gebirgs Division "Karstjäger" was a very multi-national unit, which included among its ranks Germans, Austrians, Italians, Croats, Spaniards, Slovenes, Hungarian, Romanian and Polish Volksdeutscher, including one elderly Bosnian Mohammedaner. I believe there was also a small group of Ukranians, though I am not one hundert percent sure about this.Spanish in SS-Karswehr
After disbandement of the Spanish Blue Division hundreds of Spanish soldiers from this division and Spain were still pouring to France willing to fight for the Third Reich. The first such recruits were at first attached to Wehrmacht units such as the 357th Mountain Division and 3rd Gebirgs Division. Two training companies were set up at Stablack Training camp and were assigned to anti-partisan duties in Yugoslavia in August
1944, establishing their headquarters in Zalec, west of Celje. They were attached to 8th Company, 2nd Battalion 3rd Regiment Brandenburg Division which at the time was on anti-partisan duties in Italy. They took part in operations in Rome, Carsoli, Turni, Bevagna and at Cita da Castello before being withdrawn to France. A small contingent of these Spanish volunteers was left behind and was eventually attached to 24th Waffen Gebirgs Division "Karstjäger". There are also reports about the 102nd Spanish Waffen-SS Volunteer Company briefly fighting against the Tito's partisans in Slovenia and Croatia during the summer of 1944 and another
Spanish volunteer unit under Lieutenant Ortiz figthing at Triest in 1945.
I don't know if this could be of some help to you, but some years ago while I was till playing with an idea to renovate my site I made some graphics for the new site and one of them also include the green-white armband of the Wehrmannschaft, which I believe includes the sign of a Steirischer Lion. Find someone on this board who has some free space on one of those free web servers, and I'll send him the image so that he can then displaced it on this board. I think I still have the image on my PC. I also have some sign of the Steirischer Heimatbund on some of the documemts, but I am afraid I don't have a scanner to scann them.Steirischer Armbund
So they didn't allow you to photocopy or scann any material in the archive? Not even if you would pay for this?
Now here are some of the long expected comments or updates about your research work. I am afraid that due to lack of time and hurry you'll not find them much revolutionary, but nonetheless I hope you will find helpful to your research.
I believe that some of the elements of the 16.-SS Panzergrenadier Division »RF-SS« also took part in some harsh fighting at Wersee (Verzej) near Mura River in early 1945, when the Soviet 57th Army appeared in the Prekmurje Province.Novembra 1943 je Himmler poslal v Slovenijo SS-jurišno brigado »RF-SS«, da se tu preoblikuje v 16.-SS tankovsko-grenadirsko divizijo »RF-SS«. Ta novo nastala divizija je bila nastanjena na območju Ljubljane, Škofje Loke in Kamnika. Preoblikovanje je trajalo do februarja 1944, ko je bila poslana na italijansko bojišče.
Kampgruppe "Hahn" was named after Werner Hahn, the CO of the 24th Karstjäger. Whenever possible record a full name of a German commanding officer. I hate when the author writes down just his surname, so whenever you name a Kampfgruppe try to put in the brackets also the rank and a full name of the commanding officer of that battle group.KG Hahn
The Commanding Officer of the 2,500 strong 1st SS-Regiment Wärager was SS-Standarterführer Mikhail Alexandrovich Semenov, born in St. Petersburg in 1894 and died in Sao Paulo, Brazil in 1965. The regiment had three battalions made up of mostly ex-Soviet POWs and Russian emmigrants from Kingdom of Yugoslavia. Semenov for example was one of them. The Regiment surrendered to the 5th British Corps of the 8th Army in the area of Klagenfurt (Celovec) on 9-15 May 1945.1. SS-posebni polk »Väreger«
The main bulk of the 14th (Ukranian) Waffen-SS Grenadier Division "Gallizien" including its headquarters did not surrender at Ferlach (Borovlje), but to the British at a large field near Tamsweg in Austria. The bulk of the dispersed Ukranian units were rallied at three different points, at the city of Spittal upon the Drava River, at Feldkirchen and at Klagenfurt. Only some men from the Training and Reserve Regiment of the 14th Waffen-SS Grenadier Division "Gallizien" were captured by the partisans when this unit was being ordered to retreat from south of Drava to avoid the contact with the Yugoslavs. "In some cases this was accomplished with the utmost difficulty, especially for those units which were posted south of Drava. Tito's forces who had crossed into Austria proper, suprised and ambushed the retreating soldiers, frequently inflicting heavy casualties and capturing prisoners. Over 80 men were taken from the 2nd Battalion alone. Forced to fight their way through, in the fierce battles that ensued the Regiment was broken into small units which made their way independently towards the Allied lines." So no surrender of the Division at Ferlach.nastanjen v Slovenski Bistrici, divizija pa je bila razmeščena na južni strani Pohorja. Sodelovala je v ofenzivi na Gorenjskem in severnem Primorskem. Proti koncu vojne se je na slovenskem ozemlju bojevala proti Rdeči armadi vzhodno od Radgone. Divizija se je predala dne 13.5.1945 pri Borovljah in Apačah na Koroškem 14. diviziji JA.
Bullocks, larifari.... Check George Lepre's book: "Himmler's Bosnian Division". Yes, this is the same George who is running this sub-section of this forum.Slednja je na našem ozemlju zakrivila zločin proti človeštvu.
The 7th SS-Volunteer Mountain Division "Prinz Eugen" probably committed far serious crimes against humanity than the "Handschar".
Yes, I have read about this "incident". Have you ever considered of trying to find out the names of those two executed Danish Waffen-SS Non-Commmisioned Officers?Celotni opisani dogodek sem prepisal z namenom, da ni nobenih nejasnosti glede tega primera. Kot avtor piše, sta se oba SS-vojaka predala, zato sta spadala pod kategorija vojnih ujetnikov. Čeprav sta se predala in sta sodelovala (zaslišanje), so ju usmrtili v nasprotju z vojnim zakonom. Prebegli pripadniki W-SS pa so doživeli drugačen odnos. Najprej so jih tudi razorožili in jih poslali v delavske enote. Če so že prej ali takrat pokazali dober odnos do NOG, so jim vrnili orožje in jih razporedili v enote NOV .
God is my witness that I have checked my book about the 14th SS-Galizian Division up and down,and yet I could not find not a single letter about this mass desertion you are talking here. Are you sure it was from the 14th SS-Division and not the 16th SS-Division? I don't think there were that much of Sudeten Germans in the Galician SS-Division.Vse se je začelo, ko je poveljnik topniške baterije – voda Sepp Öll zgodaj januarja 1945 poiskal zvezo s Lackovim odredom in izrazil željo za prebeg k odporniškim enotam. Ti so mu naročili, naj dezertira s celotno enoto in vso opremo. Tako je 22.1.1945 55 pripadnikov (vsi so bili sudetski Volksdeutscherji) 5. baterije 2. SS-polka bivše 14. SS-divizije
That a very interesting information and to be honest it is the first time I hear the name of a planned Slovenian SS-Division. I guess you could these information of yours from Kociper's memoars, haven't you? Haven't read that book yet, gotta to confess that.organiziranjem SS-divizije »Adriatisches Küstenland«
Adding some of my candidates to this list of yours:NEKATERI PRIPADNIKI W-SS IZ SPODNJE ŠTAJERSKE
* SS-Schütze GUSTAV FESTIN, born on 21.02.1923 in Seneldt (Zerjavci), KIA on 01.04.1942 at Chani (Russia); Joined the Waffen-SS before April 1941
* SS-Oberschütze JOHANN KOLEDNIK, born on 12.08.1920 in Gruschkonetz, KIA on 15.11.1943 at H.V.Pl.d.Geb.Sanko 1/100 Luschnia (Albania?)
* SS-Sturmmann JOHANN KOLEDNIK, born 15.05.1921 in Leonhard, KIA on 12.09.1943 at Bereka (Russia)
* SS-Schütze FRITZ DWORSCHEGG, born on 18.10.1922 in Cilli (Celje), KIA on 20.04.1942 at Omytschkino (Russia)
* SS-Schütze ERNST HOINIGG, born on 30.12.1925 in Cilli, KIA on 07.02.1945 near Iliomow 23km sdl.Rosenberg/Slow. (Slovakia)
* SS-Sturmmann WILHELM MARTINTSCHITSCH, born on 20.05.1923 in Gottschee (Kocevje), KIA on 27.07.1944 near Marigny (France)
* SS-Sturmann PETER SKRABAN, born on 28.06.1922 in Oberradkersburg, KIA on 31.12.1944 at Altsohl
* SS-Sturmann JOHANN KOLETNIK, born on 15.01.1921 in Leonhard, 12.09.1943 at Bereka-Charkow (Russia)
* SS-Schütze FELIX NEDELKO, born on 09.09.1922 in Leonhard, KIA on 04.08.1943 at Lw.Ortslaz. II Simferopol (Russia)
* SS-Oberschütze AUGUST KRAMBERGER, born on 02.08.1925 in Leonhard, KIA on 01.11.1944 at Seglini.
* SS-Schütze OTTO KRISCHANITSCH, born on 10.07.1922 in Hof, KIA on 23.08.1942 at H.V.Pl. in Kissljakoff (Russia)
* SS-Schütze SIMON SMRETSCHNIG, born on 23.11.1910 in Laibach, KIA on 26.07.1941 at Smolensk (Russia)
* SS-Schütze FRANZ SCHALAMUN, born on 01.01.1923 in Pettau/M., KIA on 22.10.1941 at Bjeljajewschtschina (Russia); Joined the Waffen-SS before April 1941
* SS-Unterscharführer OTTO LEITINGER, born on 22.06.1917 in Hohenmauthen, KIA on 21.02.1945 at Loebschütz Ostsud. (Germany?);
Joined the Waffen-SS before April 1941
* SS-Oberschütze FRANZ KOSCHEL, born on 7.08.1920 in Domschale, KIA on 04.02.1945 about 1km südwestl.Polowka (Russia)
* SS-Schütze KARL PERUSCH, born on 9.10.1917 in Hohenmauthen, KIA on 2.03.1945 at Nebljusi, Kroatien, sw. (Croatia
* SS-Unterscharführer OTTO KOS, born on 25.06.1919 in Hohenmauthen, KIA on 18.08.1944 at Lipka
* SS-Schütze SPIRIDION KAUTSCHITSCH, born on 02.11.1923 in Krainburg, KIA on 11.08.1943 near Gigenac (France)
* SS-Sturmann AUGUST MESSARITSCH, born on 06.04.1919 in Cilli, KIA on 13.10.1944 at Petsamo (Finland)
* SS-Oberschütze GOTTFRIED SLAPNIK, born on 03.09.1922 in Cilli, KIA on 04.12.1943 at Res.Laz. I Lemberg Univ.Klinik Abt. II (Poland)
* SS-Rottenführer JOHANN SELENKO, born on 31.05.1919 in Cilli, KIA on 29.08.1943 at Kowalewka (Russia)
* SS-Oberschütze KARL ANTON GFÖRER, born on 06.09.1922 in Cilli, KIA on 08.09.1941 at Lizabucht, Eismeerfront (Finland/Russia); Probably joined the Waffen-SS before April 1941
* SS-Rottenführer VIKTOR WOUTSCHKO, born on 27.02.1920 in Cilli, KIA on 25.02.1945, place unknown
* SS-Unterscharführer ROBERT JOHANN FERDINAND KOLLARITSCH, born on 17.05.1908 in Zirknitz (Cerknica), KIA on 24.05.1944 at Dorchuca, Lublin (Poland)
* SS-Rottenführer IVO PIPP, born on 03.01.1923 in Laibach, KIA on 1.03.1945 on the Straße Rakek-Loitzsch (Slovenia)
* SS-Schütze ALOIS REPITSCH, born on 25.05.1920 in Laibach, KIA on 12.04.1944 in Laibach (Slovenia)
* SS-Schütze JOHANN KRISCHAN, born in 28.08.1922 in Unterhenndorf, KIA on 06.09.1943 near Ustilug Wolhynien (Ukraine)
* SS-Rottenführer ANDRAS TISCHITSCH, born on 10.10.1921 in Luttenberg, KIA on 17.03.1944 at Kiestinki, Karel. (Finland)
* SS-Rottenführer KARL PENTEKER, born on 18.12.1905 in Pettau, KIA on 03.1945 at Marko (unknown)
* SS-Sturmann LUDWIG JUST, born on 13.08.1925 in Pettau, KIA on 26.03.1944 near Kowel (Russia)
* SS-Sturmann KARL HERBST, born on 28.08.1918 in St. Leonhard, KIA on 28.03.1942 near Nowgorod (Russia)
Saj je Schütze esesovski cin, kajne?
OK, you have plenty of info for now. My hands are getting hurting me from this constant writing.
I should also have in my archive something about one Slovene SS-Policeman who served in one of the SS Polizei regiments in Slovenia in 1943-1945, so if you're interested, let me know, and I will check for that info tomorrow or through the weekend.
BTW: Your relative, hehe?
* Gefreiter IGOR KOTZIANTSCHITSCH, born on 01.05.1922 in Laibach, KIA on 26.08.1944 at Orsova (Romania)
Klemen