PK,
No, for the SAME area damage zones had formed part of civil defence planning for most of the major combatant nations during the mid and late 1930s. See the history of pre-nuclear civil defence and preparations for aerial bombardment in Peter Laurie's Beneath the City Streets for a brief but good summary.
All this says to me is that the Allied Myth is reverse timelined as well, with the what 1938 _German_ discoveries of 1934 British posits that nuclear fission was possible leading to a 1940'ish Einstein Letter (Mr. "Oh, never thought of that...") to Roosevelt and Uranium Committee decision. It's all too pat. And the farther back you go as a function of deliberate understandings of the kinds of _yield strengths_ involved, the more you have to realize that it _all fits_. Countries were stockpiling Uranium because the awareness of it's weaponization potential was present long before the 'official histories' made it public. Which makes the Myth an outright Lie.
And once you accept this, you have to think about how much MORE time each particular nation had to start getting their act together in _separate programs_ (think about the German wartime penchant for investigating multiple aerospace options when 1-2 was all they could afford). Of which, we only know the most public associated with Heisenberg and the Kaiser Wilhelm institute.
You do if you're under the misapprehension that doing that would both halt the Allied advance AND for some strange reason make them prepared to accept a conditional surrender
The fact that they had GOT as far as Antwerp and beyond
without the port's facilities seemed a little lost on Hitler...
According to who? Western Authors repeating mistaken historical data supplied by other Western Authors? Are these the same people who want us to believe that the OKW was also insane? The very people who were already, as early as 1942, 'modifying' Hitlers Fuhrer Directives to save gross mismanagement of the land campaigns?
Why not assume Hitler said 'GO!' on the basis of getting the Americans to counter-commit to something they could not win if the Germans made Hermann the opening counter air portion of an aerial campaign designed to assure operational freedom for the start of nuclear interdiction against massed-forces on a fully commited frontal action?
They had lost that several months before.
No they had not. Consider the arrival of the dead Jews at the Belsen camp in the very end days of the war. Consider the select flights into Templehof even after Berlin was fully invested. The Germans could run their rail traffic almost unhindered at night. The Germans could achieve local air superiority (over the East) almost to the end of the war.
Had there been nukes available, they would have been able to exploit them. The question then becomes not 'then why didn't they' but rather -why did Hitler act the way he did, believing in a 5 minutes past midnight solution-??
Madman, Parkinsons, Syphillis, right. Or maybe not.
...and the majority of those 1930's scientists were by 1944-45 sitting in Los Alamos and Oak Ridge and Hanford and Chi U. And Nils Bohr, Lise Meitner etc. might disgree with that generalistation too. Heisenberg claims he made an intentional mistake; but Bohr's debriefing after he was recoverted to England shows that Heisenberg really DID make major errors.
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Finally, Harteck again must have stunned his British captors with a remark made near the end of the transcript for August 6, 1945:
HARTECK: The multiplication factor with "235" is 2.8, and when one collides with the other how long is the path until it happens? 4 centimeters, Rx is the radius. Then you have to multiply that by the mean free path and divide it by the square root of the multiplication factor. That should be 3.2. Rx is about 14 centimeters, the weight is200 kilograms; then it explodes.36
Even Bernstein cannot ignore this, and his comment indicates the there is a "possible something" lurking behind Harteck's figures:
This apparently off-hand calculation of the critical mass by Harteck which does lead to a sensible answer, unlike Heisenberg's shows some evidence that he had done this problem before. It is difficult to believe that he would have known, for example, that the critical radius involved the inverse square root of the multiplication factor if he had not thought about it. How Harteck got the number 2.8 for the multiplication factor is unclear.
During the war the Los Alamos people, who certainly knew a lot more than he did, used 2.2. Only after the war was the number increase to 2.52 as the measurements became better. Perhaps it was Harteck who supplied the German Army Ordnance report of January 1942 with its numbers in the scientists' attempts to interest the Army in continuing support of bomb research.37
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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... pter09.htm
This one statement, on it's own, debunks everything ever attributed to Heisenberg without being a 'lie' at all. Heisenberg was a theoretical scientist. Outside his own head, he was a moron. Fine.
Germany _still had thousands of engineers_. And building an atomic weapon is largely an engineering issue. Only the U.S. paid through the nose to solve for the 'actual math' on the atomic fission process. It could have been done with half as much scientific capability and twice as much applied engineering and chemistry which the Germans were never short of.
In particular, that same link above has Paul Hartek mentioning: "Who needs 60,000 men, when 10 can do the same work?" as a function of the use of alternative to 'mass spectroscopy' means of harvesting U235. The key to his vision? 'Photochemical' reduction and IG Farben doing 'wondrous things'.
IG Farben is Germany's chemical giant, even today. And we still don't (publically) know what kind of a photochemical process is being discussed in 1945 at Farm Hall.
Riiiiight.
Does that honestly ound like a realistic approach to developing mass-production capabilities for weaponized systems in the 1950s? Does that sound like the beginning of what Oppenheimer would later describe as gun-design weapons being of 'German Provenance'?
And the one for which there is miraculously no proof for any of the above at all.
Patton was there. May 5/6 1945. In Pilsen with Combat Command B and the 2nd Cavalry. They politely reminded the Russian 35th tank regiment advancing from Prague (where another Skoda Werke was located) that 'our guns are still loaded'. And pulled out that night. Leaving a Pilsen completely emptied of it's materials.
http://www.sunshineestates.net/reg_sum/ ... ia-map.gif
http://www.secondcavalry.org/WorldWarII.htm
http://www.virtualtravel.cz/en-patton-m ... en-ii.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton
And Hitler was at Ohrdruf.
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In any case, the test of a small critical mass, boosted fission device of high yield at Ohrdruf on March 4, 1945, is at least consistent with the parameters of the German bomb program and its practical needs. But there are interesting, and intriguingly suggestive, corroborations of the test. According to Freier, Hitler himself was indeed in the Three Corners headquarters for a brief period at the end of march 1945.28
It is known that Hitler did personally visit and address the officers of the German Ninth Army, operating in that precise area, in March of 1945., and stated to them that there were still things that needed to be "finished", an interesting comment if seen in the light of Freier's allegations that it was not the bomb that Germany needed, but the delivery systems. It does make sense that if there were such a test, that Hitler would have been present as an observer to witness the final success of German science in delivering to him the "ultimate weapon".
But perhaps the most persuasive bit of evidence that there is far more about the end of World War Two than we have been told can be found in two exceedingly odd facts that emerge from the Three Corners region of Thuringia in south central Germany. In a statement made on March 20, 1968, former German General Erich Andress was in the Three Corners region at the end of the war, when suddenly, more American military personnel (who were already occupying the area), arrived with jeeps and heavy transports, and immediately ordered all the buildings and houses in the area to have their windows totally blacked out, leaving one to conclude that the Americans were removing something from the area of great value to them, something they wished no one to see.
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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... pter04.htm
The strange thing is....you're 100% right on that - but not how YOU mean. After Heisenberg told the Heerswaffenampt that there was no hope of construction an atomic explosive due to cost etc., atomic research went on at its normal speed - and in its normal way! German physicists published their results inside Germany, and their papers reached the outside world via publication in Switzerland. The MAUD Committee in the UK had an operation set up in Switzerland to forward any and all scientific publications containing any mention of German physicists' work to the UK...
No I am right in the way I mean that Heisenberg and Diebner visited Bohrs in Denmark in 1941 and everything they discussed was forwarded to the Americans via the Brits. Heisenberg chose to ignore Bohrs warning that the Americans were working on the Plutonium Refinement issue and Diebner did not. Guess which man had a working breeder reactor that went critical-mass in 1945? Guess which egocentric fool would steal his colleagues ideas for his own 'experimental proofs' but make no mention of their source? Guess which man went so far as to have the Wietzsacker's report 'edited' for any mention of the word -bomb- before publication in an internal Army review that was the basis of reverting 'his' office back to the Reich's Resource Committee (civilian) control?
Heisenberg was either a little martinet running his shop, his way and using 'his' contacts to prove to himself that the bomb was still years away. Or he was an ignorant moron who simply knew no better. Either way, his little Danish Breakfast chat was in U.S. and UK hands almost immediately -and yet- they didn't stop, slow or reprioritize their 20 billion dollar research efforts at all.
Which means that they didn't trust this goof to represent 'the real German effort' any more than Bohrs did.
The real frontrunners in the German BOMB effort were Kammler's group and the Harteck/Hahn/Diebner teams. Always were.
Actually - there WAS. But what there was was analysed through the rosy glasses of the supposition that Hitler would WANT to make a last stand in Bavaria, and so all intel was analysed for signs of that, and intepreted to suit. It was a failure in analysis as large as any the Germans had made in the first few years of the war; "Beppo" Schmid's repetitive failed analyses for the Luftwaffe, Hitler's failed analysis of how successful his efforts were to tell the British he wanted peace in June and July 1940, and how succesful the various psi-war ops attempted at the time were (not)....
No.
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NAZIS' ATOM BOMB PLANS BRITAIN READY A YEAR AGO
Britain prepared for the possibility of an atomic attack on this country by Germany in August, 1944.
It can now be disclosed that details of the expected effect of such a bomb were revealed in a highly secret memorandum which was sent that summer to the chiefs of Scotland Yard, chief constables of provincial forces and senior officials of the defense services.
An elaborate scheme was drawn up by the Ministry of Home Security for prompt and adequate measures to cope with the widespread devastation and heavy casualties if the Germans succeeded in launching atomic bombs on this country.
Reports received from our agents on the Continent early last year indicated that German scientists were experimenting with an atomic bomb in Norway. According to these reports the bomb was launched by catapult, and had an explosive radius of more than two miles.
In view of our own progress in devising an 'atomic' bomb the Government gave the reports serious consideration. Thousands of men and women of the police and defense services were held in readiness for several months until reliable agents in Germany reported that the bomb had been tested and proved a failure.5
"Nazis Atom Bomb Plans," London Daily Telegraph, Saturday, August 11, 1945, cited in Edgar Meyer and Thomas Mehner, Hitler und die "Bombe", p. 37.
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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... pter04.htm
Tell me that those newspaper articles aren't real. Tell me that the ENTIRE MYTH based on exploiting a generally illiterate populations TV-defined beliefs in the 'shock' of atomic weapons use in 1945 is not based on a lie. Because, contrary to 'the official histories' THE WHOLE DAMN WORLD KNEW WHAT AN ATOMIC WEAPON WAS.
The key to a secret remaining one is the inverse square of the number of people who know it's truth.
It is a MAJOR failure of intelligence when you analyse material for evidence of something you WANT to be true - for it only takes a few data to convince you you're right. And blinds you to the mountain of evidence that you're wrong.
Nope.
In October 1944, there were two men, an Italian and a Luftwaffe Pilot who state that there was an atom bomb test over Rugen Island. This matches to the October 11th reporting of a 60hr telephone outage. And to the British published newspaper reports one year later (August 1945) of a period IN THIS MONTH when their Civil Defense organizations went to high alert, expecting an atomic attack.
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/22270
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/pri ... new2_06-05
http://www.thewebfairy.com/missilegate/ ... apter1.htm
My own speculations are based on these ideas for a nuke which did exist but was either a fizzle that could not be fixed with the remaining time available to refine more material 'photochemically'. Or was a weaponized bomb but not a nuke of sufficient yield to act as a war winner.
Perhaps something related to a bollotechnic or focussed explosive effect which creates enough shock to force trace amounts of purified uranium or plutonium into fission and the fast thermal neutron act of fission itself acting to stage a Lithium 6 Deuteride or other Hydrogen Isotope (MSH/SPH) to flash over to low grade fusion with 'enhanced blast' effects similar to a very large thermobaric.
There may have even been both, as competing programs. It doesn't have to be a war winner in 1945 to be dangerous today. Either because the material quantities are vastly smaller for -what you want to achieve- (one city block is a good achievement to a terrorist, especially if it is residually 'hot', after). Or because it points to an obvious truth: the Germans had more respect for the Geneva and Hague conventions than we did and thus -for using them on Japanese civilian targets- we are 'undeserving' of the same X-to-Y level of restraint.
This could be a very dangerous time for U.S. and indeed The World. We the public need to know, now, what things like 'Red Mercury' and 'Dirty Bomb' really mean as nations like Iran, Pakistan and others now see it. And we don't. Because our understanding of the nature of atomic physics is dominated by the work of Jewish expat theoreticians. Rather than German chemical engineers.
Jeep
