Hello Gentlemen,
are the aircratf Allied losses in the Med. since January until Sept. 1943 available?
I'm pariculaury interested about the USAAF B-17 and B-24 losses. The famous Ploesti raid in Aug. 1943 numbers are well known, but ther's almost nothing regarding the heavy bombers losses during their offensive against Italy since April until August 1943.
Many thanks
EC
USAAF B 17 and B 24 losses in the Med. 1943
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This site may have a link to what you are looking for. I'll check my shelves here for anything.
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Hello Carl,
thank you for the suggestion; anything you could find on the shelf would be, anyway, welcome.
Until early April 1943 the USAAF four engined bomber offensive against Italy was a small one, then it increased dramatically until Aug. 1943 when the losses over Ploesti and the call in Britain of an important part of the American bomber force to face the German bitter defence of the Reich reduced the weight of the USAAF raids again, even if they remained quite serious until the 8 Sept. 1943 armistice and later.
I'm trying to appreciate how much the numerical mass of the American bombers helped them to reduce or contain their losses in front of a German and Italian fighter force and ack ack organization whose strenght and tactics did not developped very much during Spring and Summer 1943.
Greetings
EC
thank you for the suggestion; anything you could find on the shelf would be, anyway, welcome.
Until early April 1943 the USAAF four engined bomber offensive against Italy was a small one, then it increased dramatically until Aug. 1943 when the losses over Ploesti and the call in Britain of an important part of the American bomber force to face the German bitter defence of the Reich reduced the weight of the USAAF raids again, even if they remained quite serious until the 8 Sept. 1943 armistice and later.
I'm trying to appreciate how much the numerical mass of the American bombers helped them to reduce or contain their losses in front of a German and Italian fighter force and ack ack organization whose strenght and tactics did not developped very much during Spring and Summer 1943.
Greetings
EC
Ciàpla adasi, stà léger.
Re: USAAF B 17 and B 24 losses in the Med. 1943
Yes the FULL listing with Airplanes Number / Pilot's name date etc etc etc is available online but SORRY I don't remember where. I have downloaded it a year ago and I don't even know myself where I put these files.Enrico Cernuschi wrote:Hello Gentlemen,
are the aircratf Allied losses in the Med. since January until Sept. 1943 available?
I'm pariculaury interested about the USAAF B-17 and B-24 losses. The famous Ploesti raid in Aug. 1943 numbers are well known, but ther's almost nothing regarding the heavy bombers losses during their offensive against Italy since April until August 1943.
Many thanks
EC
do a reasearch on USAAF Casualties.
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From memory, the tight or dense formations used for the raids worked, but not nearly as well as the USAF leaders expected. That if the raids had been flown in many dispersed formations the losses would have far worse. As it was the losses caused the idea of the unescourted bomber to be reconsidered.Enrico Cernuschi wrote:
I'm trying to appreciate how much the numerical mass of the American bombers helped them to reduce or contain their losses in front of a German and Italian fighter force and ack ack organization whose strenght and tactics did not developped very much during Spring and Summer 1943.
My books just have general comments, but I have a couple more to check.
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The remaining items I looked at dont add any hard numbers to this. It is clear that when faced with a solid fighter defense the US bombers suffered badly, even when en mass & in a dense formation. The few examples I have of small groups suggests the losses were no better or even worse when there was a similar level of defense. ie: 11 lost of 11 bombers on the infamous second Imejin Holland raid in 1943.