Hi panzerschrck,
There is no doubt that the German Army fought extremely hard on the Eastern Front in 1945, especially to cover the evacuation of civilians.
However, one has to wonder how much this was due to propaganda-induced hysteria about Soviet captivity and how much to the reality of it. The Nazis had led the German people to believe that they faced literal annihilation by the Bolshevik hordes, but this was not, in fact, the case. Bad as Soviet rule was, it wsas nowhere near as bad a Nazi propaganda promoted.
Again, if one looks at Overmans, once a POW's captivity had been acepted and registered, death rates were not extraordinarily high, especially for those taken at the end of the war. (I think it was about 10%, but this requires checking, so don't quote me yet!).
In fact more uniformed Germans surrendered to the British than to either the USA or USSR. However, these (and a large proportion of those taken by the USA) were often because most Germans on the Eastern Front surrendered to the Western Allies. The Ostheer, in the main, chose to surrender in the end.
It is true that there was less motivation for the Germans to fight the Western Allies than the Red Army. That was one reason why the Germanic Waffen-SS was more committed against the Western Allies in 1944 than against the Red Army and why the Waffen-SS as a whole had suffered a higher proportion of its fatalities against the Western Allies than the German Army had by the end of 1944. (Conversely, and much against the stereotype of its anti-Communist popular image, the Waffen-SS suffered a lower proportion of its losses against the Red Army than the German Army did!).
Cheers,
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Just because your nemeses were banned, Sid, it does not follow that you and your mates will be allowed to promote pro-Soviet revisionism on this website without being challenged! LOL!sid guttridge wrote:The Nazis had led the German people to believe that they faced literal annihilation by the Bolshevik hordes, but this was not, in fact, the case. Bad as Soviet rule was, it wsas nowhere near as bad a Nazi propaganda promoted.
Soviet rule was as bad as the experience of those who suffered under it shows. The Red Army raped and pillaged their way across Europe with carte blanche. The only other army to do this during WW2, in the ETO, was the French Army and even then, it was a localised practice sanctioned by a particularly rabid general pandering to his Arab troops.
Given the human rights record of the Stalinist regime in the 1930s, the Nazi government had little trouble promoting this fear of "the Bolshevik hordes". People in the West knew what the Soviets were like. That's why so many young Westerners volunteered to fight on the Eastern Front. I'm not promoting a pro-Nazi view here. The Nazis played on widespread fear of the Bolschevik hordes, a fear that was entirely justified.
Ask anyone who experienced "liberation" by the Red Army and wasn't a card-carrying Communist. Not that this guaranteed you any protection!
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Even being a foreign Bolshevik or card-carrying Communist doesnt necessarily protects from the Bolsheviks.Ask anyone who experienced "liberation" by the Red Army and wasn't a card-carrying Communist. Not that this guaranteed you any protection!
Cornelius Ryan's book The Last Battle mentioned that a female German bolshevik who was on Gestapo wanted list during the Third Reich, appear to the Soviets when they reach the town that she was hiding. And her reward for being so loyal a Bolshevik?
Gang-rape by Soviet troops.
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Not arab but moroccan troops. The town was Freudenstadt. Friendship town ! Not at this time.Paddy Keating wrote:The only other army to do this during WW2, in the ETO, was the French Army and even then, it was a localised practice sanctioned by a particularly rabid general pandering to his Arab troops.
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Historical anecdocte : De Castries and Navarre were involved in the fall of this city. 9 years later, they were also involved in an another fall : the one of Dien Bien Phu. And this time, 11 000 men surrendered only 3 000 survived at 3 months of captivity. Colonel Bigeard said that only one banana per day should have allowed for mostly of the soldiers to survive.
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Hi Reb,
Apparently freed US prisoners from the Vietnam War have a significantly higher life expectancy than those not captured. This is put down to the limited rice-based diet they had, while their uncaptured peers were stuffing their faces with pizza, alcohol and drugs.
Anyone for the Ho Chi Minh Lifestyle Plan and Vegetarian Diet?
Cheers,
Sid,
Apparently freed US prisoners from the Vietnam War have a significantly higher life expectancy than those not captured. This is put down to the limited rice-based diet they had, while their uncaptured peers were stuffing their faces with pizza, alcohol and drugs.
Anyone for the Ho Chi Minh Lifestyle Plan and Vegetarian Diet?
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Sid I remember also reading that somewhere at sometime
of an Vietnam Vet is/was 56 years old. I doubt there would be
much difference between those captured or not? It would depend
I think on circumstances on whether or not they were exposed to
chemical agents etc?
but since read that "this is not true." FYI the average life expectancyApparently freed US prisoners from the Vietnam War have a significantly higher life expectancy than those not captured
of an Vietnam Vet is/was 56 years old. I doubt there would be
much difference between those captured or not? It would depend
I think on circumstances on whether or not they were exposed to
chemical agents etc?
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