that's probably a question for Enrico Cernuschi....
I'm looking for infos about italian naval units operating under german flag in 1943-45. In particular I know that some torpediniere "Ariete" class had been completed by germans and actively employed in Med. Is it possible to know at least their italian and gemran names
Any info is appreciated
thanks
Lupo
italian units in german service 1943-45
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German warships of Italian origin in the Med. Sept43-May45
Caro Lupo (Torpediniera o battaglione?)
Here I'm. The subject is an huge (and confused) one. I can only quote the recent articles by Zvonimir Freivogel edited bt STORIA militare, Sept. and Oct. 1943. as the best reference available.
As we are speaking of more than 40 ships (to mention the destroyers and torpedo boats only) I'll be quite shorty:
TA (Torpedoboote Ausland):
TA14 (ex Turbine)
TA15 (Crispi)
TA16 (Castelfidardo)
TA17 (San Martino)
TA18 (Solferino)
TA19 (Calatafimi)
TA20 (Audace)
TA21 (Insidioso)
TA22 (Missori)
TA23 (Impavido)
TA24 (Arturo)
TA25 (Ardito)
TA26 (Intrepido)
TA27 (Auriga)
TA28 (Rigel)
TA29 (Eridano)
TA30 (Dragone)
TA 31 (Dardo)
TA 32 (Premuda)
TA 33 (Corsaro II)
TA 34 (T 7)
TA 35 (Dezza)
TA 36 (Stella Polare)
TA 37 (Gladio)
TA 38 (Spada)
TA 39 (Daga)
TA 40 (Pugnale)
TA 41 (Lancia)
TA 42 (Alabarda)
TA 43 (Sebenico)
TA 44 (Pigafetta)
TA 45 (Spica)
TA 48 ( T3)
SG 20 (Papa)
I recorded only the ships which were operative and thier last TA characteristic as there were some changes too in 1943 and 1944 too. I didn't recalled TA 9, 10 and 11 as these Italian Navy prizes were borrowed to the Germans on April 1943, before the 8 Sept. 1943 armistice. Cordialmente EC
Here I'm. The subject is an huge (and confused) one. I can only quote the recent articles by Zvonimir Freivogel edited bt STORIA militare, Sept. and Oct. 1943. as the best reference available.
As we are speaking of more than 40 ships (to mention the destroyers and torpedo boats only) I'll be quite shorty:
TA (Torpedoboote Ausland):
TA14 (ex Turbine)
TA15 (Crispi)
TA16 (Castelfidardo)
TA17 (San Martino)
TA18 (Solferino)
TA19 (Calatafimi)
TA20 (Audace)
TA21 (Insidioso)
TA22 (Missori)
TA23 (Impavido)
TA24 (Arturo)
TA25 (Ardito)
TA26 (Intrepido)
TA27 (Auriga)
TA28 (Rigel)
TA29 (Eridano)
TA30 (Dragone)
TA 31 (Dardo)
TA 32 (Premuda)
TA 33 (Corsaro II)
TA 34 (T 7)
TA 35 (Dezza)
TA 36 (Stella Polare)
TA 37 (Gladio)
TA 38 (Spada)
TA 39 (Daga)
TA 40 (Pugnale)
TA 41 (Lancia)
TA 42 (Alabarda)
TA 43 (Sebenico)
TA 44 (Pigafetta)
TA 45 (Spica)
TA 48 ( T3)
SG 20 (Papa)
I recorded only the ships which were operative and thier last TA characteristic as there were some changes too in 1943 and 1944 too. I didn't recalled TA 9, 10 and 11 as these Italian Navy prizes were borrowed to the Germans on April 1943, before the 8 Sept. 1943 armistice. Cordialmente EC
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no, the nick Lupo cames from my personal story, no connections with WWII (anyway, my sympathy for torpediniera Lupo and its wonderful commander F. Mimbelli....)
told this thank you, the only data I need more is trying to understand which unit operated in Adriatic and whihc in Egean...
thank you very much
Lupo
PS BTW my compliments for your works including your most recent book. It's always a pleasure reading you on "Storia Militare" (also if I disagree sometimes, sorry
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told this thank you, the only data I need more is trying to understand which unit operated in Adriatic and whihc in Egean...
thank you very much
Lupo
PS BTW my compliments for your works including your most recent book. It's always a pleasure reading you on "Storia Militare" (also if I disagree sometimes, sorry
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German (ex Italian) destroyers and a swashbuckling episode
You are welcome, Lupo,
By the way:
Aegean Sea: TA 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19.
Adriatic: TA20, 21, 22, 34, 35, 36, 0, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 48.
Tyrrenian Sea: TA 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, SG20.
From Adriatic to Aegean (Sept. 1944): TA 37, 38 and 39.
You can add, technically, at this record the old three stackers Pilo, captured by the German troops at Durazzo (Albania) and recovered on 26 Sept. 1943 by her crew who was able to drop into the sea the German Army guard put on the ship - which was sailing towards Trieste - and could arrive, at least, at Brindisi recovering during the same cruise "à l'abordage" the tug Porto Conte and helping, then, the auxiliary cruiser Pola to raise again its flag coming home after seizing the German soldiers on board.
Greetings EC
By the way:
Aegean Sea: TA 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19.
Adriatic: TA20, 21, 22, 34, 35, 36, 0, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 48.
Tyrrenian Sea: TA 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, SG20.
From Adriatic to Aegean (Sept. 1944): TA 37, 38 and 39.
You can add, technically, at this record the old three stackers Pilo, captured by the German troops at Durazzo (Albania) and recovered on 26 Sept. 1943 by her crew who was able to drop into the sea the German Army guard put on the ship - which was sailing towards Trieste - and could arrive, at least, at Brindisi recovering during the same cruise "à l'abordage" the tug Porto Conte and helping, then, the auxiliary cruiser Pola to raise again its flag coming home after seizing the German soldiers on board.
Greetings EC