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Post by phylo_roadking » Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:36 am

Russian Defence Ministry has accessed Poland of being responsible for World War II in an article published on its official web site.

The article was written by Colonel Sergey Kovalov from the Institute of War History at the Russian Defence Ministry and published in a War Encyclopedia under the title “History – against lies and falsification”.

“Everyone who studies the history of WW II without prejudice knows that the war started because Poland refused to satisfy German claims. However, not everyone knows what exactly Adolf Hitler wanted from Poland. His claims were rather moderate: to incorporate the Free City of Danzig (currently Gdansk) into the Third Reich and to let Germans build exterritorial motorway and a railway [through Poland] which would join East Prussia with the rest of German territory,” writes the Russian historian. In his opinion, “it is hard to regard these claims as unjustified”.

“Poland aimed at becoming a regional super power and by no means wanted to play the role of a younger partner to Germany. That is why on 26 March 1939 it finally rejected German demands,” argues Kovalov.

Russia knows better

The Russian historian also justifies the attack of the USSR on Poland on 17 September 1939. He claims that Josef Stalin had no choice but to sign a non-aggression pact with Hitler in order to postpone, at least in the short term, war with Germany.

The Russian daily Wriemia Nowostiej has criticized the article published by the Defence Ministry, saying that “the war against falsification of history ‘to the detriment of Russia’, proclaimed by the highest state authorities, is grotesque.”

The daily ironically predicts that “soon Adolf Hitler will turn out to be an effective manager and East European countries, smashed by Soviet and Nazi ‘effective management’, will be found guilty for getting in their way,” writes Wriemia Nowostiej.

In May, the President of the Russian Federation, Dmitry Medvedev, created the Committee for the Counteraction against Attempts to Falsify History to the Detriment of Russia. The committee consists of Russian politicians, historians, officials and secret service agents and its goal is to investigate ‘distortions of the historical record’ caused by Polish, Ukrainian, Latvian and Estonian historians.

The Russian Defence Ministry’s deputy spokesman Aleksandr Petrunin refused to give thenews.pl a commentary on Kovalov’s article.
http://polskieradio.pl/thenews/news/art ... w_ii_.html

It's getting more and more ridiculous as time goes by... :shock:

It MUST have been the Poles...'cos Stalin made the August Non-Agression Pact with Hitler, and he can't have been wrong, ergo... :x
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Post by TPMM » Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:43 am

Quite a big storm it caused, don't you think?
It's nice, that FINALLY someone appreciated our little contribution to the beginning of the war.
The author only forgot to mention OUR battlecruiser - ORP "Pomorze Polskie" (ORP "Polish Pommern") - firing upon Kiel 2hrs before the invasion.

Another idea - what would have France done, if Adolf H. demanded, for example, Metz in August 1939?
Don't worry, be crazy ;]

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Post by pzrmeyer2 » Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:56 pm

Another idea - what would have France done, if Adolf H. demanded, for example, Metz in August 1939?
yes, but he didn't. If you can point out to me where he did press claims on France, or Belgium, or Denmark, countries which took or were given German territory after WW1, I'll concede the point. See aslo Sudtirol. No claims there either.

Danzig was 95% German. Its people overwhelmingly supported re-union with Germany. Even most Brits, Chamberlain and Lloyd George included, felt Germany had the moral high ground on this one. While the fact remains that Germany "started" a shooting war with Poland, Polish obstinancy and stubborness contributed to it, and British stupidity solidified it and turned into a worldwide endeavor. How'd that work out for Poland? For Britain? Would they have been better off conceding the reality that Danzig was German? How many lives might have been spared had they responded in the manner of the Czechs after Munich? (Moreover, The Poles sure had no issue with Germany vis a vis Czech, as their actions at Teschen showed).

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Post by phylo_roadking » Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:30 pm

if Adolf H. demanded, for example, Metz in August 1939?
Metz???

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Post by Tom Houlihan » Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:11 pm

phylo_roadking wrote:
if Adolf H. demanded, for example, Metz in August 1939?
Metz???

"It's a sh1thole. Who'd want it???"
That's it! He was going to give it to France! That's why they declared war, nothing to do with Poland!

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Post by TPMM » Sat Jun 06, 2009 1:11 am

Tom Houlihan wrote:
That's it! He was going to give it to France! That's why they declared war, nothing to do with Poland!

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Nothing?! And what with our pro-war attitude and anti-agreement :?:
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Post by dtarmee » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:48 am

Tom Houlihan wrote:
phylo_roadking wrote:
if Adolf H. demanded, for example, Metz in August 1939?
Metz???

"It's a sh1thole. Who'd want it???"
That's it! He was going to give it to France! That's why they declared war, nothing to do with Poland!

:?
It looks , that there must be some more to learn about the war question . Great german information about the beginning of the war : http://www.vorkriegsgeschichte.de (its in german :( )
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Post by Yuri » Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:01 am

phylo_roadking wrote: Did you know....?
And you unless did not know?

http://polskieradio.pl/thenews/news/art ... w_ii_.html
Comments to article are not less amusing, than actually article
dtarmee wrote: It looks , that there must be some more to learn about the war question . Great german information about the beginning of the war : http://www.vorkriegsgeschichte.de (its in german :( )
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Post by centurion854 » Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:23 pm

Pzrmeyer2???? So what you are saying is Germany was justified in attacking Poland, taking over the entire country, setting up concentration camps and murdering anyone who did not agree with German occupation of Poland because Poland wouldn't give up Danzig. The ensuing invasions of Belgium, France and Russia you agree were not justified, just the invasion of Poland, if I understand your post.

If you want to say Germany had a right to claim Danzig, something I do not agree with, should they not have stopped after occupying Danzig? Using that theory, the blitzkrieg, the occupation of the entire country and the rest of what happened to Ploland would seem to be overkill then, no?

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Post by Pirx » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:55 am

dont worry about pzrmayer2. He is well known Germany defender on feldgrau. He never noticed that Danzig didn't belong to Poland in 1939...
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Post by centurion854 » Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:08 pm

Yeah, I get that about pzrmayer2. And I notice, no reply from him either.

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Post by Paulus II » Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:07 am

centurion854 wrote:no reply from him either.
That's cause he's banned from Feldgrau.

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Post by centurion854 » Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:54 am

See know I just don't keep track of these things, whose banned and who is still here. I have an inability to pay attention for long periods of time.

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