General Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck

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General Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck

Post by Walter Godinho » Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:13 pm

Dear friends: What day and month in 1919 did the General arrive in Antwerp and on which ship? From there how did he traveled to Germany? Any info is most appreciated. Thank you. Walter Godinho./

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Post by Doktor Krollspell » Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:28 am

Hello Walter!

I haven't found any dates for Lettow-Vorbeck's arrival in Antwerp and subsequent mode of transportation to Germany but several sources gives his arrival in Germany to be in January 1919. For example...

http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/lettow-vorbeck.htm


Here's also a departure date for when Lettow-Vorbeck left Africa for Europe...
On November 14, Lettow-Vorbeck mets at Abercorn, on the banks of Lake Tanganyika, the Bitish general Edwards, to whom he surrendered his army of 155 Germans, of which 20 officers, and 1156 native Africans. Lettow-Vorbeck arranged for the re-patriation of German soldiers and prisoners of war before the departure for Germany in January, 1919. The Germans moved across Tanganyika to Kigoma, from where they took the railway to Dar-Es-Salaam. From here they left for Europe on January 17, 1919.
http://www.angelfire.com/de/greatwar/vorbeck.html


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Post by Walter Godinho » Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:30 am

Dear Doctor Krollspell: Thank you for your comments. It seems that the small period of von Lettow-Vorbeck's return from Antwerp to Germany is not considered a major event. So let it be. Regards. Walter.

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Post by Doktor Krollspell » Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:13 pm

Hello again Walter!

Maybe you can find the detailed information that you want from the Man himself. This is supposed to be a real classic at $32...


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Post by Doktor Krollspell » Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:26 am

And while we're talking about von Lettow-Vorbeck, here's a good portrait photo of him showing all his decorations including the Pour-le-Mérite with Eichenlauben.

Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck
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http://presentations.uib.no/pls/portal/ ... _PART.show


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Post by pzrmeyer2 » Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:30 pm

The ship he and the remainder of his German officers and NCOs sailed on the SS Transvaal, formerly the Feldmarschall. They were luckier than their comrades in captivity, who waited more than a year to return from India and the Middle East.

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Post by Jason Pipes » Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:35 pm

For extra credit, who can name the units that took on the traditions of the units that served in Africa during WWI?

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Post by Jock » Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:26 pm

The Brandenburgers?

Unit's, plural? Other than that, I'm stumped. Unless it isn't another German or WWII unit.

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Post by Jason Pipes » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:17 pm

No, not the Brandenburgers! :D

There were a number of units, namely the Schutztruppen.

Schutztruppe für Deutsch-Ostafrika
Schutztruppe für Deutsch-Südwestafrika
Schutztruppe für Kamerun
Schutztruppe für Togo
Schutztruppe für Südseebesitzungen

The traditions of all these units were carried on in 1937 by a certain unit.

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Post by Jock » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:55 pm

Hmm...Sorry, must have mis-interpreted the question...thought it was alluding to the Brandenburgers roots coming from that campaign. One of Lettow's officers created them, no?

I know the Schutztruppen, but I'm struggling to come up with a connection...
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Post by Paulus II » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:16 am

That would be Infanterie Regiment 69.

Learned this while trying to solve one of the photoriddles! More than merely entertaining :D

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Post by Jason Pipes » Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:45 am

Yep!

From the 20.Infanterie-Division.

Specifically, the I., II. and III./Infanterie-Regiment 69 took on the traditions of the various Schutztruppe.

Schutztruppe Deutsch-Sudwest-Afrika - I./IR 69
Schutztruppe Deutsch-Ost-Afrika - II./IR 69
Schutztruppe Kamerun - III./IR 69
Schutztruppe Togo - III./IR 69
Schutztruppe Sudseebesitzungen - 13., 14./IR 69

Sources for further reference:

-Truppe und Standort Uberlieferungspflege (primary source document)
-Feldgrau Issue 7, 1956, Die Pflege der Tradition der alten Armee in Reichsheer und der Wehrmacht
-Die deutschen Infanterie-Divisionen, Werner Haupt

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Post by Doktor Krollspell » Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:21 am

Hello Jason, Paul, Jock et al!

The interesting thing with the IR 69 that after it's placement in the 20. Infanterie-Division, it was on April 1, 1940 re-designated as Schützen-Regiment 69 and part of the newly raised 10. Panzer-Division. After participating in western campaign 1940, the Regiment (and the 10. PD) went east in June 1941, fighting the russians until the spring of 1942 when it was time for re-fitting in France.

The 10. Panzer-Division, and the now Panzergrenadier-Regiment 69 then went to Tunis in December 1942 to fight for half a year in the last campaign of the war in North Africa, finaly surrendering in May 1943.

The Infanterie/Schützen/Panzergrenadier-Regiment 69 was never re-constituted after the defeat in Tunis. Still, a real historical twist of fate that the Regiment bearing the traditions (as of 1937) of Lettow-Vorbeck's Schütztruppen from the WWI campaign in Eastern Afrika ended up fighting and surrendering in Africa...


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Post by Commissar D, the Evil » Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:59 am

Extremely interesting Guys, I never knew that the Schutztruppe were reincarnated, even though I've been a fan of Von Lettow-Vorbeck for years. His campaign in what is now Tanzania and Angola is the stuff of legends. One of the very few mobile campaigns in WWI.

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Re: General Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck

Post by Doktor Krollspell » Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:17 am

Gentlemen,

From the funeral of Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck in 1964...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXXT4PO7v_c


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