Best Heer Panzer division in Wehrmacht ?

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Best Heer Panzer division in Wehrmacht ?

Post by Kelvin » Fri Dec 24, 2010 8:21 pm

I don't know that topic existed or not, I would like to ask forum members that which Heer panzer division was your favourite ? My favourite is 23. and 116. Panzer divisions ? How about u ? Merry Christmas for all members. :D

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Re: Best Heer Panzer division in Wehrmacht ?

Post by madmike » Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:57 pm

Why the 23rd?

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Post by bradhunter » Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:58 am

For the Heer, I'd have to say Panzer-Lehr.

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Post by HeinrichFrey » Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:56 pm

It depends on the eye of the beholder. I think success is a question of the enemy. So far the 16th and the 24th would be the first choice of mine.
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Re: Best Heer Panzer division in Wehrmacht ?

Post by Kelvin » Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:40 am

madmike wrote:Why the 23rd?
That wonderful division, still in worse condition in late 1944, as spearhead and won a great victory for German : the battle of Nyiregyhaza during 23-27 Oct 1944. Pliyev Mechanized-Cavarly Group ( 4th and 5th Guards Cavalry Corps and 23rd Tank Corps) were encircled and destroyed. 23.Panzer division was the main attacking force with the support of 1.Panzer division, crushed Russian mechanized force, ruining their dream of capturing Hungary by the end of 1944. That Russian mechanized group had 6,255 killed and 6,662 were captured and another 11,900 estimated killed, Russian also lost 358 tanks, 1954 motor vehicles, 310 guns, 247 mortars and 600 antitank gun. :up:
BTW, 3.Gebirgsjager Division and 46.infanterie division also performed well in that battle and also my favourites. :wink:

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Re: Best Heer Panzer division in Wehrmacht ?

Post by mammoth181 » Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:02 pm

I have not settled for a single one yet, but I find 4th, 5th, 19th and 23rd Panzer Divisions most interesting.
I know that 23rd Panzer Division had 2672 confirmed tank "kills", although impressive number it doesn't tell me much in comparison to other divisions, someone with divisional histories have more information about other units?
Let's see, shortly, why these?
23.Pz.Div - Good combat record and recieved early and many of my fav tank, Pzkpfw V Panther :wink:
19.Pz.Div - Interesting combat areas during the last year of the war, one of few Panzer Divisions to meet the Vistula-Oder operation and very nice emblem.
4.Pz.Div - Awesome unit, fought from first day to the last day of the war with great combat record, one of the few units to recieve Jagdpanthers.
5.Pz.Div - Excellent unit with good combat record, counterattacked the Soviet Operation Bagration.

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Re: Best Heer Panzer division in Wehrmacht ?

Post by Kelvin » Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:18 am

On September 1 1943, 23. Panzer Division had 96 Panther ready for action. :up: But she was always understrength after mid-1944.

5.Panzer Division always received reinforcement after mid-1944 and remained the strongest division in the Eastern Front.

6. 19. and 25.Panzer division were always up to strength after complete refitting in the rear of 1944. So did 20. Panzer division after complete refitting after Bagration.

3.Bear Panzer division became stronger one in late 1944, so did 8. Panzer Division

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Re: Best Heer Panzer division in Wehrmacht ?

Post by mammoth181 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:19 am

I find it very strange to leave such a veteran division as 4.Pz.Div for months in Courland, and then when finally shipped away force it to leave behind all of it's heavy equipment which it's been fighting so hard to keep running.
Did they ever recieve any of it's Panthers in Courland back on a later stage or were all of them taken over permanently by 14.Pz.Div?

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Post by mellenthin » Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:57 am

The 7th was probably the best.

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Re: Best Heer Panzer division in Wehrmacht ?

Post by Helmut » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:11 pm

Servus,
I have always felt that the 5. Panzer didn't receive due credit especially towards the end of the war in East Prussia. I'm not saying it was one of the best but it certainly was awesome in this campaign.

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Re: Best Heer Panzer division in Wehrmacht ?

Post by Kelvin » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:47 am

Helmut wrote:Servus,
I have always felt that the 5. Panzer didn't receive due credit especially towards the end of the war in East Prussia. I'm not saying it was one of the best but it certainly was awesome in this campaign.

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what does you mean ? some people downgraded or underestimated the performance of 5. Panzer division ?

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Re: Best Heer Panzer division in Wehrmacht ?

Post by Helmut » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:39 am

Kelvin,
I don't mean that anyone downgrades the 5. Panzer, just that it is not given credit for it's accomplishments. Not that much is written about it in English and I don't think that there is all that much written about it in German either, as compared to some of the other panzer divisions. It is therefore a much lesser known of the panzer divisions.

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Re: Best Heer Panzer division in Wehrmacht ?

Post by mammoth181 » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:03 pm

There's not much about Heer Panzer Divisions in english sadly, most are about Waffen-SS Divisions. I find Heer divisions more interesting nowdays, I think 4th and 5th Panzer Divisions were both very good, my favourites.
5th fought on german soil during late 1944 while 4th was left in Courland which make 5th more interesting to me at this stage of the war. Learned a lot from Kamen's Fire Brigades :up: but still miss divisional histories in english :(

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Re: Best Heer Panzer division in Wehrmacht ?

Post by Kelvin » Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:52 pm

5. Panzer divison always could get enough reinforcement in the later period of war. In June 1944, prior to Bagration, she was one of two strongest Panzer divisions in the Eastern Front. In Jan 1945, prior to Vistula Oder, she also remained the strongest one in Army Group Center facing Russian onslaught.

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Re: Best Heer Panzer division in Wehrmacht ?

Post by Panzer division » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:04 pm

The 6th Panzer had some of the best leadership and they performed very well on the eastern front. I am shocked nobody mentioned the 2nd Panzer division. They did very well on both fronts. The Allies thought they were the most powerful division at the Bulge.

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