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What Uniform/s..?

Post by Gunther » Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:47 pm

Can anyone tell me any more about these uniforms?

First is taken in 1933
Second is SS but what type of uniform..? taken in March 1936 of my Grandparents wedding, my Grandfather went on to join the Totenkopf Division in Sept 1939.
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Re: What Uniform/s..?

Post by Germany33 » Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:14 pm

Hallo Gunther!

The guy in the first picture is wearing "Arbeitsdienstkleidung" (as written on the photo). He probably volunteered the "Freiwilliger Arbeitsdienst" - organisation (a non-nazi service established in 1931) in 1933. Its successor, the nazi organisation "Reichsarbeitsdienst" became obligatory service not until 1935.

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Re: What Uniform/s..?

Post by Gunther » Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:06 pm

Abend CS

Danke Dir. Den Sütterlin Schrift kann Ich leider nicht lesen. Schau mal diesen Brief an, auch von 1933 und vielleicht ist es auch mit dem Uniform verbindet...?

Alles gute,
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Re: What Uniform/s..?

Post by Germany33 » Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:38 am

Hallo Gunther!

This good-conduct certificate is quite interesting. It says that Alfred B O S L E R was a Studienassessor (a master grade teacher for higher education) who served for two months in the Arbeitslager Gültlingen (today: Wildberg, Baden-Württemberg). Contrary to my first impression, this camp was organized and run by the nsdap itself, so the service was probably voluntary and mainly for party members. The party organization was called NS-Arbeitsgauverein Württemberg.

It is written that Mr. B O S L E R did well during his service as a Arbeitsmann. He even educated his fellow comrades in this camp. So the 1933 uniform in the first picture was very probably from nsdap assets and lacks the needed insignia obligatory for uniforms of military or civil service.

I hope this could help you a little bit

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Re: What Uniform/s..?

Post by Gunther » Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:44 am

Hi CS,

Many thanks for this - that is interesting indeed and good to link the photo and the letter together at last.

Any ideas regarding the SS uniform in the wedding photo? Here's another shot of it. Year was 1936.
Also Hitler Youth ID which ties in with the 1933 letter / picture as a natural continuation of his services to
the party.

Many thanks,
Gunther
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Re: What Uniform/s..?

Post by Germany33 » Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:40 am

Hi Gunther,

The black uniform (1936) belongs to the allgemeine SS and not the Waffen-SS. The rank is "SS-Sturmmann" which is equal to a Private First Class.
I cannot identify the number of the Ärmelband (I think it is the number 1). It indicates the Sturm (~ company) of the wearer. Different to officers who wore a round belt buckle, enlisted personell was equipped with box-like buckles, but the insignia were similar. As he was wearing a number on his Ärmelband (sleeve strip), he did not belong to the concentration camp guards, who wore a blank "sleeve strip".

I hope that helps a little bit.

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Re: What Uniform/s..?

Post by Richard Schoutissen » Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:18 am

If you would like to know, he was KIA on May 8, 1942 at Kirillowtschina, Russia.

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Re: What Uniform/s..?

Post by Gunther » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:33 pm

Many thanks CS! - very useful info - the number on his sleeve is a '2' whatever that denotes

Richard - thanks for the info re his death, can I ask where you found this information as I have been searching for an official record somewhere - all I have is his Wehrpass stating this but to see it from another source would be really helpful - if you can advise - many thanks

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Post by Richard Schoutissen » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:49 pm

Gunther wrote:Many thanks CS! - very useful info - the number on his sleeve is a '2' whatever that denotes

Richard - thanks for the info re his death, can I ask where you found this information as I have been searching for an official record somewhere - all I have is his Wehrpass stating this but to see it from another source would be really helpful - if you can advise - many thanks
Gunther - this information comes from the Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge. I strongly recommend you to fill out a tracing request at the WASt (Deutsche Dienststelle). They can provide you, when in archive, with more information / documents.

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Re: What Uniform/s..?

Post by Gunther » Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:20 am

Thanks Richard - I have put in a request to the Volksbund who had no records of him and passed the information on to Berlin and the organisation you mentioned in your post. Do you have direct access or copies of these records as you had the information to hand...am intrigued that's all! Will put in my request today. Thanks again, Gunther

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Post by Richard Schoutissen » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:55 am

Gunther wrote:Thanks Richard - I have put in a request to the Volksbund who had no records of him and passed the information on to Berlin and the organisation you mentioned in your post. Do you have direct access or copies of these records as you had the information to hand...am intrigued that's all! Will put in my request today. Thanks again, Gunther
Sorry Gunther this is all info I could find.
(his body was never recovered)

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Re: What Uniform/s..?

Post by Gunther » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:07 pm

Thanks Richard, am slightly shocked by your last statement about his body as I have photograph of his grave and all of his personal effects were returned to my grandmother....I will see what the WASt have on record.
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Post by Richard Schoutissen » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:43 pm

Gunther wrote:Thanks Richard, am slightly shocked by your last statement about his body as I have photograph of his grave and all of his personal effects were returned to my grandmother....I will see what the WASt have on record.
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Gunther, with not recovered I meant the exhumation and reburial to a German Military Cemetery, the field grave (on your photograph) was not yet discovered.

Are there more photographs, I tried to find "Schneiderbauer" but couldn't find any info.

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Re: What Uniform/s..?

Post by Gunther » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:41 am

Not sure I have any of the graves, have plenty of the French Campaign and all sorts of others! will have a look and post some more
thanks for explanation re 'recovery' of body

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Re: What Uniform/s..?

Post by Gunther » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:01 pm

Here is another unusual (to me) uniform - my Grandfather is far right holding the newspaper - this was in the early 30s I think,
does anyone know what uniform it is...? Many thanks,
Gunther

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