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Is it "Greater German Reich"? If so, how is it said in German?

Also, did Hitler have a running mate when he ran for office in 1933? If there was no vice executive position on the Nazi party ticket, who was his number two in 1933?
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Greater Germany--"Grossdeutschland" was used some. Maybe also "das Reich"? Or simply "Vaterland." Probably depended on the particular use at hand; funeral announcement, newspaper, propaganda or a particular social group.
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I'm thinking of the legal name...

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...as in Federal Republic of Germany (today), People's Republic of China, United States of America. That sort of thing.
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Also, did Hitler have a running mate when he ran for office in 1933? If there was no vice executive position on the Nazi party ticket, who was his number two in 1933?
Sorry this is about to be so long.... :D

Hitler didn't run for office in the way you mean; since 1930, Hindenburg had rulled germany "by decree" if he wanted to - under the so-called "1-2-3 formula" brought to his attention by a coiterie of his staff officers including von Schleicher. basically - there were three separate tiny bits of the Constitution that, if taken out of context and grouped together - ALLOWED the President of the Weimar Republic to rule by decree!

Since the various political and economic crises of 1929-30, one thing that Hindenburg had definitely abrogated was the right for the President to select the Chancellor...THEN the Chancellor would go about forming a cabinet...that would in turn have enough of a coalition majority in the Reichstag to pass a Budget and any other legislation ;) Yes it sounds a bit arse-about-face...but a suprising number of countries were at it then - Belgium and Norway come to mind; the government draws up a budget THEN tried to arrange a voting coalition behind it for the next year! :roll: Belgium was paralysed politically for six months in 1935, and Norway was regularly paralysed for months at a time...

Anyway - twice in 1932 Hitler had demanded to see Hindenburg, and twice demanded that beacuase the NSDAP was the largest single party, that he be made Chancellor - but both times Hindenburg refused. There were two governments (at least! IIRC) :D through 1932 - von Papen's and Schleicher's himself; basically a semi-military coup, Schleicher persuaded Hindenburg to appoint him Chancellor...then he went about trying to form a "rainbow coalition" from all the small parties in the reichstag. it failed, of course....and with the assistance of the Coimmunists (!!!) the Nazis collapsed his government in the Reichstag, as they had earlier collapsed von papen's!

Now - as you can see....although the Weimar Republic had started out well - the situation from 1930 had broken the direct link between the popular electoral vote and the Chancellorship. So, in the hiatus after the collapse of Shcliecher's chancelorship...von Papen secretly met with Hitler and said he'd broker a deal with Hindenburg that Hitler could be Chancellor....but with a minority Nazi share of the resulting centralist SDP-heavy Cabinet! :wink: Only Hitler as Chancellor...and TWO other Nazis....out of 12-15 Cabinet ministers.

Von Papen then managed to overcome Hindenburg's longstanding antipathy to Hitler as Chancellor by selling the idea to "Alte Paul" that he...and by association "they", the SDP - had "bought" Hitler by giving him the big post in what would still be at heart an SDP gopvernment...and the need to keep controlling the government and keeping the government in control would mean the Cabinet majority could keep Hitler under their thumb ;) Hindenburg agreed - and Hitler was asked to form a Cabinet WITHOUT being elected or "running" for office....

He actually couldn't - he was still an Austrian! He was only naturalised by vote of the Reichstag later in 1933 :roll:

In a way, therefore...in the sense that YOU mean - it could be argued that von Papen was Hitler's "running mate" :wink: It could also however be argued that Hitler's real running-mate was that OTHER political Big Time Operator of the NSDAP, who as Speaker of the Reichstag had collapsed two previous governments....Goering! :shock: It's hard to remember that the flabby, make-up-wearing failed air force fieldmarshall of the middle and end of the war...was actually one of THE smartest political operators in Germany after Adolf BEFORE the war!!!
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Hello Gentlemen,

The formal name(s) for Nazi Germany were "Deutsches Reich" and also from 1943 "Großdeutsches Reich".


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Original name of "Deutschland Uber Alles"...

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Was it a song called "Austria With Majesty"? a church song?

Danke Doktor for your reply to my question on the formal name of the Third Reich.
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