I read on the AHF that it was from Russian dum dum bullets, etc?During the Winter War Hayha was shot in the face, putting him onto a coma that lasted until March 1940.
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indeed it is:) (UNBELIEVEABLE that is)Handzar wrote:I just read about his actions, he killed 500 (?) russians in 3 months... WOW!!!
500 divided by 90 days = 16 russians killed each day!!!!!!!!!
Sadly he died a few years ago, he was among the three other top Finn snipers.
Hail to our Nordic brethren!!!
explosive bullets were used in aircraft machineguns -they were not meant for rifles - but there is a chance that somebody might have gotten hold of them.Taylor Collector wrote:Weren't Dum-Dums banned by the time of the '05 Zulu Revolt? I seem to remember some of the civilians loaded up with 'em sayind the Geneva Convention only applied to white European males.Helmut Von Moltke wrote:I read on the AHF that it was from Russian dum dum bullets, etc?During the Winter War Hayha was shot in the face, putting him onto a coma that lasted until March 1940.
I know what it is - but standard soviet infantry rounds at that time did not include a hollow point at that time. Soviet ShkaS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShKAS_machine_gun machinegun used in virtually all pre WW II and many WW II Soviet planes were issued with explosive ammo in the 7.62x54. The rounds were prohibited for use in general issue rifles – but obviously one could have gotten a hold of them if he really tried (from the aircraft wreck for instance).Jock wrote:Hi Oleg,
Dum-dum bullets are just regular rounds with a hollow point, to help them open up (like a flower) more on impact - like carving an X into the top.
http://mosinnagant.net/r2ssia.asp Another possibility is that Haya was hit by a ricocheted bullet – 7.62*54 is weighty enough to take half a scull off if it hits sideways.A devastating exploding bullet was invented by the Russians in the late 1930's. Called the type ZP, it differed from a common incendiary bullet as it contained PETN high explosive and a detonater. These bullets were quite complex, housing a firing pin and drop safety device as well. They have a red tip. The majority that are found today are ShKas machine gun rounds, unsafe for use in bolt action rifles.
the rounds you described are illegal for military use - as far as I know nothing limits their usage by non-military agencies. So there is nothing wrong with carabinerri having those.P.P.S. regarding the illegality of "converted" rounds...I once stood beside an Italian Caribinieri, and he had three examples of EACH of the types above in his belt loops on duty!!!! Bloody Hell! and this was law ENFORCEMENT!!!?
because the allegation was made that he was hit by dum-dum and I find it to be unlikelyJock wrote:If you knew what dum-dum bullets are, why did you refer to explosive rounds while we were discussing dum-dums?
Another possibility is that a Russian soldier "manufactured" his own dum-dums, and that you are the only one here going on and on about explosive rounds. Besides the fact a coma would probably be the least of your worries after being hit in the face with an explosive round.