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Post by David W » Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:55 pm

I have a picture of a Morris AC9, and on the front mudguard there is a white (or pale) S on a dark rectangular (portrait) background. The photo is likely to be late 1941. I suspect the AC9 belonged to the K.D.G or 11th Hussars. What does the symbol mean/signify? And can we identify the background colour?
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Post by C.GILLONO » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:16 pm

usually the arm of service marking
It varied much according to the theater and with time
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Post by David W » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:28 am

The thought had crossed my mind, but "S" is for self propelled guns, and their weren't any at that time!
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Post by C.GILLONO » Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:53 am

S is the prefix for SPGs but I am writing about the arm of service marking, a number (one or 2 digits, three/four for Corps and Army troops) depicting the unit itself
But 1941 is a bit late for 'one digit' AOS markings (mostly 2-digit at the time)
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Re: Unknown symbol

Post by Andy H » Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:56 pm

David W wrote:I have a picture of a Morris AC9, and on the front mudguard there is a white (or pale) S on a dark rectangular (portrait) background. The photo is likely to be late 1941. I suspect the AC9 belonged to the K.D.G or 11th Hussars. What does the symbol mean/signify?
Hi Dave

Any chance of posting the picture?

Any chance its a corrupted 5 rather than a S?

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Post by David W » Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:32 pm

The picture is on page 50 of "Tanks in Camera" by David Fletcher.
A closer inspection confirms that it is an "S" and not a "5".

The armoured car in pictured next to a Honey, and so the photo must be late 1941, at the earliest.

Hope this helps.
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Post by C.GILLONO » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:28 am

David W wrote:The thought had crossed my mind, but "S" is for self propelled guns, and their weren't any at that time!
Sorry, I saw a 5 (five) when you wrote an S... :oops:
I think I have to change my glasses!

I have no explanation for such a marking, unfortunately
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Post by nigelfe » Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:46 am

I don't think there were any single digit numbers and certainly no letters used in unit code numbers on vehicles. I hadn't thought that any RAC units used vehicle role tac signs as RA did. I've always thought they used the vehicle call sign with a sqn symbol for this purpose (eg A Sqn uses a triangle, C sqn used a circle and B sqn used a vertical rectangle), that said fixed call signs were not used in WW2 so anything painted on would be some form of callsign fixed suffix. On balance I'd guess a vehicle role tac sign, possibly in B sqn.

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Post by David W » Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:51 am

I've always thought they used the vehicle call sign with a sqn symbol for this purpose (eg A Sqn uses a triangle, C sqn used a circle and B sqn used a vertical rectangle), that said fixed call signs were not used in WW2 so anything painted on would be some form of callsign fixed suffix. On balance I'd guess a vehicle role tac sign, possibly in B sqn.

That makes good sense, but in that case, wouldn't the rectangle be hollow, as on tank turrets? This rectangle is solid and shaded.
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Post by David W » Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:23 am

Failed image.
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Post by nigelfe » Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:36 am

This whole thing seems very unusual on a RAC vehicle, RA vehicle role tac signs were smaller and two colour but then the RA 'patch' colour was red & blue used in a way to indicate which battery in a regiment whereas RAC was usually (?) just red so using shape for sqn seems reasonable.

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Post by David W » Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:39 am

Ooops! Photo didn't come out!

I'll try again.
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