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some tables from here

http://www-cgsc.army.mil/carl/resources ... /drea3.asp

.......................... .........................First.Army.........MediumTank........Medium.Tanks..........Mediums....................................................................
......................... T/E.Strength..... ..Authorization........Operative ........... ...Lost
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AUG 1944 - .....1358 ................1358.............. ......1282 ..................... 223
SEPT 1944 - ......1184 .............. 1138 .......... .........1026 ..................... 139
OCT 1944 - ......1454 ................1362 ................. 1201 .................... .. 132
NOV 1944 - ......1054 ................ 931 . ...................846........................ 133
DEC 1944 ..........1730 ............... 1788....................1320...................... .398
JAN 1945 -.........1400 ................1368 ........ ..........1210...................... 184
½ of FEB 1945...1064.................1064 .................... 942 ....................... 42
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GRAND TOTAL LOSS FOR PERIOD AUGUST 1944 TO FEBRUARY 1945 1251
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. . ORO-T-117 Fire Damage and Repairability

. .TABLE XIX

. . REPAIRABILITY OF TANK CASUALTIES-ALL THEATERS

. .(Sampling)



. .TOTALS BY THEATER

....................sample............repairable..........%.................U/S..............%
US: Italy.
Gunfire...........32..............9......................28.1..................23.................71.9
Mine...............24.............16....................66.7...................8...................33.3
Mortar............1................0.....................0.0...................1...................100.0
Hollow chg.....3...............2......................66.7..................1...................33.3
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ETO -
Gunfire........722.............337................46.7..................385..............53.3
Mine............210............159..............75.7....................51................24.3
Mortar..........7................7.................100.0....................0..................0.0
Hollow chg...152..........105..............69.1......................47................30.9
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UK:N.Africa-
Gunfire.......242............129..............?........................113
Mine...........48..............31..............64.6.....................17
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Italy-
Gunfire..........94.............51............54.3..........................43.................45.7
Mine.............42.............30.............71.4........................12................28.6
Mortar...........2...............1..............50.0........................1..................50.0
Hollow chg...10............7.................70.0.........................3.................30.0
TOTALS BY COUNTRY
US:
Gunfire.......754............346........45.9.......................408....................54.1
Mine...........234............175........74.8.......................59......................25.2
Mortar.........8...............1...........87.5...........................1...................12.5
Hollow chg...155..........107........69.0........................48....................31.0
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UK:
Gunfire........528............304.........57.6..................224........................42.4
Mine...........208............171.........82.2..................37..........................17.3
Mortar.........8...............7.............37.5....................1..........................12.5
Hollow chg..45............35............77.8.....................10........................22.2
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GRAND TOTALS BY CAUSE
Gunfire....1282...........650...........50.7.................632..........................49.3
Mine........442.............346...........78.3.................96...........................21.7
Mortar.......16..............14............87.5...................2...........................12.5
Hollow chg..200..........142..........71.0.................58............................29.0
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TPMM wrote:For example, during the battle for Warsaw (which took place near eastern subrubs of it) Red Army claimed to had destroyed 273 German tanks, and Germans claimed 253 kills. In fact total losses (totalausfallen) were: 116 Russian tanks and 37 german. Kill was reported after seeing a hit. But in this case Russian propaganda took it's place in enlarging kills amount.
Based on the archival data collected by Kamen Navenkin, Russian propoganda in this case was not so wrong. :wink:

As of 1.8.44

HG: Pz-IV 50 (+12), JgPz IV -31; Total: 81 (+12)
3.SS PD: PzIII 1, Pz IV 19 (+6), Pz V 21 (+36), Pz VI 1 (+7), StuG 49 (+21); Total: 91 (+70)
5.SS PD: Pz IV 12 (+12), Pz V 42 (+24); Total: 54 (+36)
19. PD: Pz IV 78, Pz V 79, JgPz IV 21; Total: 178
4. PD: Pz III 3 (+2), Pz IV 45 (+38), Pz V 40 (+18); Total: 88 (+58)

As of 1.9.44

HG: Pz-IV 29 (+8), JgPz IV -14 (+4); Total: 43 (+12)
Replacement: Pz IV 61;

3.SS PD: Pz III 1, Pz IV 20 (+8), Pz V 17 (+23), Pz VI 6 (+0), StuG 15 (+6); Total: 59 (+37)
Replacement: Pz IV 17, Pz V 59, Pz VI 5

5.SS PD: Pz IV 4 (+2), Pz V 19 (+13), StuG 5 (+0); Total: 27(+15)
Replacement: StuG 20, JgPz IV 21;

19. PD: Pz IV 25 (+37), Pz V 41 (+12); Total: 66 (+49)
Replacement: Pz IV 38, Pz V 14;

4. PD: Pz III 0, Pz IV 33 (+21), Pz V 36 (+23); Total: 69 (+44)
Replacement: Pz IV 17, Pz V 16;

Source: Kamen Nevenkin, Fire Brigades

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Rich wrote:Sure, always glad to add a dose of reality. :wink:

70 TkBn - 35 Lt, 90 Med
191 TkBn - 31 Lt, 140 Med
701 Tk Bn - 2 Lt, 15 Med
702 TkBn - 8 Lt, 56 Med
707 TkBn - 18 Lt, 93 Med
709 TkBn - 16 Lt, 60 Med
712 TkBn - 11 Lt, 68 Med
717 TkBn - 0 Lt, 2 Med
735 Tk Bn - 15 Lt, 51 Med
736 TkBn - 5 Lt, 15 Med
737 Tk Bn - 8 Lt, 66 Med
738 TkBn - 0 Lt, 4 Med
739 TkBn - 0 Lt, 8 Med
741 TkBn - 3 Lt, 86 Med
740 TkBn - 2 Lt, 55 Med
741 TkBn - 3 Lt, 86 Med
743 TkBn - 15 Lt, 96 Med
744 TkBn (Lt) - 23 M5, 1 M24
745 TkBn - 4 Lt, 50 Med
746 TkBn - 7 Lt, 124 Med
747 TkBn - 5 Lt, 68 Med, 2 M4-105mm
748 TkBn - 0 Lt, 6 Med
749 TkBn - 4 Lt, 52 Med
750 TkBn - No Report
753 TkBn - 8 Lt, 62 Med
756 TkBn - 19 Lt, 77 Med
759 TkBn (Lt) - 42 M5, 4 M24
771 TkBn - 6 Lt, 34 Med
772 TkBn - 1 Lt, 8 Med
774 TkBn - 4 Lt, 56 Med, 2 M4-105mm
778 TkBn - 0 Lt, 16 Med
781 TkBn - 2 Lt, 16 Med
782 TkBn - 0 Lt, 1 Med
784 TkBn - 3 Lt, 18 Med
786 TkBn - 4 Lt, 11 Med
787 TkBn - 0
761 TkBn - 0 Lt, 71 Med
Hi Rich
Useful and well informed data as usual.
If I may...
Can you add the numbers for the 777th TB to the list?
Steven Zaloga gives 16 Medium in his latest book (Armored Thunderbolt) but he is mute on the Light tanks.
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C.GILLONO wrote:Hi Rich
Useful and well informed data as usual.
If I may...
Can you add the numbers for the 777th TB to the list?
Steven Zaloga gives 16 Medium in his latest book (Armored Thunderbolt) but he is mute on the Light tanks.
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Hi!

Sorry, I'm moving and everything is packed away. I don't think the 777th was listed though in the original put together by the USAEUR historians office at the end of the war? But looking at excerpts from the online battalion AAR I find:

"Results of operations:

1. 14 medium and 2 light tanks lost.

2. 3 officers and 10 enlisted men killed, 2 officers and 22 enlisted men wounded, and 3 enlisted men missing.

3. 2,746 PWs turned over to the infantry. " (http://www.69th-infantry-division.com/h ... s/777.html)
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