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indeed.Commissar D, the Evil wrote:All armies in WWII did the same things, as long as they retained possession of the tank and as long as it wasn't burned out.
~D, the EviL
But unfortunately the only figures that are usually readily available are those operational and less frequently those in short-term repair. In many cases those in long-term repair were only recorded in the monthly Meldungen. The 10. A.O.K. Panzerlage, which were prepared roughly every three days did record all four categories - eventually, and HG-B in their Tagesmeldungen usually only recorded the first two categories. The divisions did complete individual records for each total non-recoverable loss suffered, but it is rare to discover those records still preserved (the only complete set I have run across is for Das Reich at Kursk). Typically those write-off reports were coallated and recorded for an entire theater by the Oberquartermeister des Heeres and that is the record that still exists (partially at least).Commissar D, the Evil wrote:Well, last time I looked, the Germans recorded tanks as 1. available, 2. in short term repair, 3. in long term repair and 4. as total losses.
Categorys 2,3, and 4 could have figured into someone's "Tank Loss" statistics. I suspect the Allies had a similar system.
~D, the EviL
The "list" isn't Belton's, it was compiled circa June 1945 by the theater historian via a questionnaire that was circulated to the various armored units. It may be found in NARA RG331, HQ 12th Army Group, Special Staff Armored section, 526th Armored infantry Battalion to 20th Armored Division, Box 2. Every unit was reported except for the 2nd and 4th AD.Reb wrote:Carl
I didn't find Belton's casualty lists for tanks lost all that out of bounds - he spoke of Third Armd Div (which IIRC had the most losses of any US Armd Div) and they were certainly high.
Was that via the "presto chango" method? And what was low enough to be okay?And certainly higher than they needed to be had we chosen to go with a bigger badder tank earlier.
Er, well, yes. But if we had heavy tanks would there have been enough and could we have gotten them where they were needed. And worse, given the capabilities of the German weapons systems, what was the break even point?It all worked out in the end. But our lack of heavy tanks and oft repeated failure to concentrate made things harder for the troops.