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Jewish SOE Naval Unit Led By Brits...

Post by 101stDoc » Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:52 pm

During the war, there was a Jewish naval type unit that was run under the SOE, mostly because the RN did not want the Jews working under them (they were not under high regard by many).

There was a 40 man unit of divers CO'd by British officers, and I think there was a small blockade runner service set up of Jews under the CO of Brit officers.

This was not the Haganah, but something else.

Does anyone else have any other info?

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Post by redcoat » Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:51 pm

101stDoc wrote:During the war, there was a Jewish naval type unit that was run under the SOE, mostly because the RN did not want the Jews working under them (they were not under high regard by many).
In WW2 a large number of British and Commonwealth jews did serve in the RN, so I find your statement confusing (if not downright insulting :x ).
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Post by 101stDoc » Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:27 pm

I did not say that Jews did not serve in the RN. I said there was some hesitence in the RN about Jews. I did not say I agreed with it. We've had African Americans serving in the USN for years, but even as of WW2 they were still treated poorly.

Also gotta take into consideration British Commonwealth Palestine operations both prior to and after WW2.

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Post by greenhorn » Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:31 pm

I believe the trouble would arise when Jews born outside the Empire wanted to serve in the forces... the RN would probably be a bit sniffy about them.... PS the RN has a long tradition of dodgy foreigners serving aboard ship.... ie Chinese laundry men..... Nelson's navy was awash with Africans, Americans and Europeans... a veritable UN on the high seas ;>)

I'm confused by your reference to British Commonwealth Palestine:
i) Do you mean British & Commonwealth Forces operating in the Palestine? or
ii).Palestine was in the British Commonwealth?

Palestine was a British Mandate Territory in 1920......

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Post by 101stDoc » Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:07 pm

I was reffering to the BritComm ops in Plaestine both before & after the war, but of course there is more than that. The whole geographical area has been a dog's breakfast for ages, and probably will be long after we're gone.

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Post by Enrico Cernuschi » Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:40 pm

Hello Gentlemen,
I think 101 was referring to the yacht Sea lion that sailed on 18 May 1941 from Haifa to Tripoli, in Syria, with a group of Jew volounteers of the Hagana who were trying, on behalf of the British as during thet season there was an agreement among the jew community and that mandate administration, to raid the French oil depots of that harbour. They were never seen again. Presumbly were destroyed at sea by the French planes of hit a mine.
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Post by statemachine » Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:36 am

I don't have the source before me but the yacht was actually a British sub,HMS SeaLion,records for the month of May still classified.The Jews were officially not Palmach,but the day after the disapearance the Palmach was officially formed.
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Post by nigelfe » Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:37 am

greenhorn wrote:I'm confused by your reference to British Commonwealth Palestine:
i) Do you mean British & Commonwealth Forces operating in the Palestine? or
ii).Palestine was in the British Commonwealth?

Palestine was a British Mandate Territory in 1920......
Actually I don't think there were any 'operations' by non-British Imperial forces (eg Indian, NZ, Aust, SA) in Palestine, apart from some topographic survey work, although some were no doubt stationed there for periods of various duration and transited.

British Jews were, of course, conscripted into British forces the same as anybody else, there were doubtless some pre-war volunteers. I've never been clear on the status of units, notably the Palestine Regiment, was it a unit of the British Army, or a colonial force (tricky since Palestine was a mandated territory not a colony)?

Of course such legal niceties would not affect SOE, they were more interested in people with the right skills, knowledge and aptitude. Which invites the questions as to exactly what special capabilities Jews would have (other than pretending to be Jews), perhaps local knowledge of a target area?

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Post by statemachine » Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:05 pm

Demolition skills for this group.
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Post by nigelfe » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:05 am

Not exactly a rare skill in SOE or in assorted military units in the theatre.

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Post by statemachine » Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:05 pm

nigelfe wrote:Not exactly a rare skill in SOE or in assorted military units in the theatre.
No,but coupled with language skills and a willingness to please it might have been.It was a very rough neighborhood as evidenced by their fate...a body believed to be that of Palmer was washed ashore showing evidence of mutilation...
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Post by mconrad » Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:14 am

statemachine wrote:
nigelfe wrote:Not exactly a rare skill in SOE or in assorted military units in the theatre.
No,but coupled with language skills and a willingness to please it might have been.It was a very rough neighborhood as evidenced by their fate...a body believed to be that of Palmer was washed ashore showing evidence of mutilation...
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