AH and Italian Facist insignia?

Helmut Von Moltke · Post by **Helmut Von Moltke** » Sat May 13, 2006 4:41 am

hi, I found a strange pic of A.H in Italy 1937 on a visit, and he is wearing some sort of Italian Facist insignia!

Does anyone have more info on this? thanks

Kevin

Mobile Infantry · Post by **Mobile Infantry** » Sat May 13, 2006 6:49 am

Looks like the so called "fasces":

http://home.uchicago.edu/~janie/fasces.htm

It used to be a symbol of ancient romans and (very) later the one of the italian fascists.

Regards

Nordwest · Post by **Nordwest** » Sat May 13, 2006 11:14 am

Helmut, read more about this patch here: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... ian+dagger

Michael

Waleed Y. Majeed · Post by **Waleed Y. Majeed** » Sun May 14, 2006 12:36 am

Mobile Infantry wrote:

It used to be a symbol of ancient romans and (very) later the one of the italian fascists

Indeed it is old and was later misused by the black-shirts as was the Swastika by the Brown-shirts.
Mind you it is still in use! - just look at this wellknown wall...
http://teachpol.tcnj.edu/amer_pol_hist/fi/00000201.jpg
(...and before anyone gets any funny ideas, I'm NOT anti USA and NOT making any sort of comparison!).

Link which explains what the Fasces symbolizes:
http://www.legionxxiv.org/fasces%20page/

waleed

Helmut Von Moltke · Post by **Helmut Von Moltke** » Sun May 14, 2006 1:13 am

thanks Michael!

A Corporal's chevron..... what might have happened to it during the war?

Nordwest · Post by **Nordwest** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:29 am

Helmut, Mark Costa wrote:

Most of the items you seen in the color photos from TimeLife are items that were presented to Hitler as say on his Birthday celebrations and should be confused with items presented to him personally by heads of state. Most of those items such as this dagger were most likely stored at either the Berghof or at the Fuhrerbau in Munich. Those person items at the Berghof were destroyed by SS Obergruppenfuhrer Julius Schaub just before the US arrived. The items at the Fuhrerbau were basically captured intact. Although this dagger was not among any items found. If the Russians had found it -- they have eventually displayed it as they have other items. My guess would be that it was at the Berghof with Hitler's other pre-war personal items. Hence destroyed by Schaub.

Is your question answered now...?

Michael

Helmut Von Moltke · Post by **Helmut Von Moltke** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:14 pm

thanks

Nordwest · Post by **Nordwest** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:23 pm

Helmut Von Moltke wrote:thanks

My pleasure, Helmut!

The scan, provided by Mark Costa in the other forum is a rare gem, also the certificate about this very special patch.

You wont find such an information very often in the internet.

Michael

Matthias Jünger · Post by **Matthias Jünger** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:57 am

May be I am too late to answer, but if I'm not mistaken during the visit in 1937 Hitler was insigned of the rank of officer of the MVSN, the Italian Volunteer National Security Militia, usually worn by Mussolini himself as First Corporal of the Militia.
Mussolini had been a Bersaglieri corporal during WWI, too.
The rank shown by Hitler on his left arm is the same Mussolini was used to have on his uniform arms, salvo that in his one a fascist eagle replace the fascio littorio.