Gerhard,
I have sent you a PM explaining the reasoning behind my Hans Kammler thread. Unfortunately the thread was locked before I could counter the ridiculous and tired accusations that I was somehow personally attacking you, simply because I was interested in something you remarked upon in a locked thread. I simply wanted to know if you were aware of the full details of Kammlers career, and if you did, why you would hold the man in such high regard. That is all.
I won’t discuss this matter further here as it will only get locked or deleted.
Kind regards,
André
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Andre:
I mentioned Kammler during a debate with Mr. Miller pointing out that he was one of the few high ranking officers I met/seen. The only conversations I had with them (except Dietrich) was as I recall "jawohl Obergruppen Fuhrer".From what I saw of them and heard from my comrades, they like most of our officers never asked anything they weren't prepared to do themselves.
As for Einsatz Gruppen, Concentration camps, forced labor, you know much more then I did. We did not read and hear about it until after the war. All these reports and books written about them - how accurate are they, are they facts , exaggerations, a smear campaign ? do you know ? I certainly don't.
But like I mentioned before if even a fraction of it is true I hope they all fry in hell.
You see I did not see any of it what I did see was what happened to me. The treatment when taken prisoner, the beatings during interrogation, the conditions in my POW camp, having to work without getting paid for it, not having family and a home left after discharge from POW camp, not ever hearing from relatives driven from their homes. Those are the things I saw not the ones you tell me about.
But as all this happened 60+ years ago we all should more concentrate on the theme of the original topic
TIME, THE GREAT LEVELLER.
Some time ago HaEn and I had a exchange recalling a few funny episodes, now that was enjoyable but for the rest ? it seems it is nothing but accusations and justifications and some name-calling.
Who needs that ?
Gerhard
I mentioned Kammler during a debate with Mr. Miller pointing out that he was one of the few high ranking officers I met/seen. The only conversations I had with them (except Dietrich) was as I recall "jawohl Obergruppen Fuhrer".From what I saw of them and heard from my comrades, they like most of our officers never asked anything they weren't prepared to do themselves.
As for Einsatz Gruppen, Concentration camps, forced labor, you know much more then I did. We did not read and hear about it until after the war. All these reports and books written about them - how accurate are they, are they facts , exaggerations, a smear campaign ? do you know ? I certainly don't.
But like I mentioned before if even a fraction of it is true I hope they all fry in hell.
You see I did not see any of it what I did see was what happened to me. The treatment when taken prisoner, the beatings during interrogation, the conditions in my POW camp, having to work without getting paid for it, not having family and a home left after discharge from POW camp, not ever hearing from relatives driven from their homes. Those are the things I saw not the ones you tell me about.
But as all this happened 60+ years ago we all should more concentrate on the theme of the original topic
TIME, THE GREAT LEVELLER.
Some time ago HaEn and I had a exchange recalling a few funny episodes, now that was enjoyable but for the rest ? it seems it is nothing but accusations and justifications and some name-calling.
Who needs that ?
Gerhard
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Hi Gerhard.
Thanks again, as before, for your well expressed input.
It triggered a thought ( yes I know, first time for everything)
sometime ago, was asked to 'document" my "melder-runs" during the Arnheim and later episodes, by naming the units and officers I had to go to, and/or deliver someting to.
He could not understand that I did not remember ANY of the names, but would admit that it "could have been" O.Gr.F. sowieso, AFTER reading a passage from a book about it, that COULD have coincided with my runs.
It was indeed : "Jawohl Sturmbann Führer", or "Herr Oberst", or what ever the rank of the receiving party was.
Some people seem to forget that we as "youngsters" of that time are now in our 80's. And those memories some 60 plus years old.
By the way, hang in there my friend, it is getting thin in the surviving ranks.
Kameradschäftliche Grüssen,
HN.
Thanks again, as before, for your well expressed input.
It triggered a thought ( yes I know, first time for everything)
sometime ago, was asked to 'document" my "melder-runs" during the Arnheim and later episodes, by naming the units and officers I had to go to, and/or deliver someting to.
He could not understand that I did not remember ANY of the names, but would admit that it "could have been" O.Gr.F. sowieso, AFTER reading a passage from a book about it, that COULD have coincided with my runs.
It was indeed : "Jawohl Sturmbann Führer", or "Herr Oberst", or what ever the rank of the receiving party was.
Some people seem to forget that we as "youngsters" of that time are now in our 80's. And those memories some 60 plus years old.
By the way, hang in there my friend, it is getting thin in the surviving ranks.
Kameradschäftliche Grüssen,
HN.
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