Message forum of the Feldgrau.com research community
Moderator: Commissar D, the Evil
You have to remember that the German Blitzkrieg did in Russia what it had done in France and Poland before it - removed the Red Air Force's prime fighting capability AND the Red Army's frontline-capable armoured forces in the the earliest hours and days of the campaign. Very quickly the Red Army found itself fielding armoured vehicles that were MANY years out of date, same with their air support.Doesn't this prove that Germany was actually outnumbered by the sheer immense manpower of the Red Army with the total combine divisions of Army Group North, Center and South of 128 and 2/3 of a divisions when the Wehrmacht attacks on 22nd June 1941?
An excellent example would be the People's Liberation Army, of the 1950's and early 1960s with its cavalry divisions; I used to have a beautiful pic of a Chinese cavalry unit on parade, each man wearing his gas mask....but not the horses LMAO How long would it take for THESE "mobile" divisions to be converted into....Infantry???"Paper" strength is never what it appears to be
Dr. Magenheimer mentioned that these Soviet attack plans were far from being operational plans of general staff of the armies in the world (like the US Navy theoretical plans to attack Pearl Harbor in the 1920s). One of the main reasons that these attack plans were not normal operational plans normally planned by general staffs of the armies in the world is because Uncle Joe would never condone Red Army general staffs to prepare operational planning (look what happen to Marshal Tukachevsky in the 20s and 30s) without political backing from the Politburo. Major General Vasilevsky's plans actually carried Uncle Joe's monogram which indicates Uncle Joe's approval of the Soviet offensive plans.DXTR wrote:Most nations, who have a record for being invaded, have plans for an attack on their neighbours. A few years back WAPA plans were dug out from the archives. They showed immense preperations for an attack on the west. The interesting part is that they rested on the notion that the west would attack first.
That USSR had plans for an attack on Germany is hardly surprising in this context. Not to have a reserached plan for such actions is naive from a military perspective.
Now I wouldn't call Stalin a peacemaker (unless it came through the NKVD). But I would be cautious in claiming that such plans would put USSR and Germany on equal moral standing. Germany was the agressor, we have history to show this, however no solid evidence have been provided, except from the odd dubious russian researcher that Stalin had any real date or intentions for an attack on Germany. But who knows what would have happened if German strength had continue to grow and without an attack on USSR. Perhaps Stalin eventually would have launched a preemptive strike. Prior to barbarossa, the Soviet Union under Stalin rule was an inward gazing regime, bend on consolidating Stalins power.
ya know, you're right! my apologies .All you commun--er, socialist-er, leftists all sound the same to me...teddibly soddy old boyPaulus II wrote:Since the quote isn't mine and I don't see how I could clarify someone else's statement, no, I won't clarify it.
Why do I feel like I'm back in Kindergarten now?