Hungary's War Aims

George Lepre · Post by **George Lepre** » Fri May 26, 2006 5:13 pm

Jan-Hendrik wrote:US troops killing POWs ? Nothing new on Western Front ... Jan-Hendrik

Sir:

If you do not have any FACTUAL information regarding Hungarian volunteers in German service, keep your comments to yourself.

George Lepre

Pisti3 · Post by **Pisti3** » Sat May 27, 2006 2:15 am

Hi again.

So I am trying separete the battles against western allies.

25. Grenadier division der SS Hunyadi

30.april pioneer battalion fastened in Passau pocket,broke out successful on the 2.maj at Oberhausen

30.april a company fastened in Berlin pocket under commandment of the Nordland,totally destroyed at the brakeout attempt at Chausse Allé.(against russian prob.)

A battlegrup in Over-Austria stopped a US attack at Timelkam destroyed 5 Sherman.

26. Grenadier division der SS Hungaria

a battlegreoup at Amstetten in Austria blocked the motorway

3 maj a battlegroup in action near river Inn against an US tankattack between Ried and St.Martin.

25-28.april an artillery unit was in action southwest of Regensburg.

Notice the div.had lock of equipment so when they found a firemandepot they put on all they stuff.Probably this is a clearing for heavy fighting firemans at Hamburg.Held the Harburg forest for 4 day against 7.thAR http://www.btinternet.com/~ian.a.paters ... es1945.htm

1.Hungarian SS skibattalion

9.febr. at river Bober
11.febr. along river Queis to Lorenzdorf
Battle at Leoben under commandment of the Wiking
retreat to Bruck an den Mur

Ney SS regiment

took part of some counterattacks at these areas
Birkfeld,Pöllau, Lafnitz valley,

That and very shortly, best reagards.

Do anybody has photos about the Hunyadi or Hungaria?

sid guttridge · Post by **sid guttridge** » Tue May 30, 2006 2:33 am

Hi Pisti3,

Excellent reply with lots of hard facts to check out.

The next question is whether the Americans, British or Russians noted any of these actions or Hungarian participation in them?

Cheers,

Sid.

Pisti3 · Post by **Pisti3** » Tue May 30, 2006 11:24 pm

Hi

1 note from the Brits is given above.I keep an eye on this topic and write all so soon as i find something.Are you interest in the east fights too?
Hungary Russia and even US had the favour of the fogging and forgetting,so the memos are rare.

Cheers

Helmut Von Moltke · Post by **Helmut Von Moltke** » Wed May 31, 2006 12:41 am

thanks for the pic of the Hungarian SS volunteer with the 'H' collar patch, it's rare!

George Lepre · Post by **George Lepre** » Wed May 31, 2006 8:57 pm

Hi Pisti -

I owned that Soldbuch up until about two years ago. I then sold it to a Hungarian-American who was very glad to obtain it.

That Soldbuch was one of about 200 or so that were found inside an old ammunition box in an Austrian barn in the late 1980s. All of the men were from the same battalion of the Hunyadi Division. Obviously, the person who found the box uncovered at least part of the battalion's Schreibstube.

I remember that the late German militaria dealer Nico von Lindenau brought some of the books to a MAX Show in Baltimore. Only one or (at most) two of the books contained photographs in which the soldiers were wearing the "H" tab. In the other books, the soldiers wore blank tabs or SS runes. There were supposedly officer books in the lot too but I have never seen them.

Best regards,

George

hardi · Post by **hardi** » Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:01 am

hi

The Hungarian W-SS troops were formed to fight exlusively against the Red Army:

Die freiwillige Meldung verpflichtet nur zum Dienst in dieser Division. Da die Division prinzipiell nur zur Verteidigung des ungarischen Vaterlandes eingesetzt wird, sollen alle Kommandeure ihren Einfluß dahin geltend machen, möglichst zahlreiche Meldungen für diese Division zu erhalten.

Kommando des Kgl. Ung. Honv. VIII. Armee-Korps Stabsquartier, am 10. November 1944 - Korpsbefehl Nr. 12.

Combat against other allies was a mere 'accident' during the retreat to West and Central Austria.

Pisti3 · Post by **Pisti3** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:22 am

But the Hamburg battle Mr.Hardy?

hardi · Post by **hardi** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:32 am

Please go into details Pisti, i do not know any battle with the US Army at Hamburg.

sid guttridge · Post by **sid guttridge** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:29 am

Hi Hardi,

The purported clash at Hamburg is given above as being with the British, not Americans.

Cheers,

Sid.

hardi · Post by **hardi** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:42 am

hi,

okay i missed that sorry :)

Pisti3 · Post by **Pisti3** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:14 am

HI!

As much I know 300 soldbuchs were found.So i have detailed stories from some clashes,it's a book from survivers,officers and grenadiers,but unfortunatly i go 2 weeks holyday.

Hungarians in the bond's of the Waffen SS.Only facts ,no fanatism,cool book.Even when and where the soldbuchs were taken and so all.

DenesBernad · Post by **DenesBernad** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:06 am

Pisti, how can I receive a printable copy of that photo that I could include in a book currently under work?

Köszönettel,

Pisti3 · Post by **Pisti3** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:19 pm

Hi Dénes I can make a photo in high res. or if you wish I can send the book,but now I am 10 days off.

Greetings

DenesBernad · Post by **DenesBernad** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:22 pm

Szervusz Pisti,

A high-resolution scan (with the 'descreen', or 'moire' feature turned on), including the source of photo, would be enough.
Is the name and rank of the SS soldier known?

Dénes
E-mail: denesbernadATsympatico.ca [Replace AT with @]

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Hungary's War Aims

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