Message forum of the Feldgrau.com research community
Moderator: George Lepre
Those who remained loyal to the Axis cause right to the very end is not because they are fighting for national socialism or for Hitler, but because they wanted to redeem the honor of Italy who had been besmirched by the Badoglio and his Badoglionate gang. Rightly or wrongly, these men show the world that Italians still had honor in defending her oath and paid for it with their lives and suffering.Hans wrote:I was going to stick my nose in, but you said it all Panzermahn. My best mate is the son of an Italien small sub specialist. Apparantly these guys remained loyal to the Axis cause to the end. Mates father was based near the Bodensee.
Another was a neighbour of ours in Germany who refused to return to Italy after the war. I remember him singing from his attic window every afternoon. Beautiful voice, but oh so sad. I could feel his misery even though I was only a little kid at the time.
I think the Italians fought as well as any one else given their circumstances.
But it is a fact that quite a considerable of Italian senior officers and generals were Freemason. Because it can cause a potential conflict of interest. Between loyalty to the nation and freemasonry believederGespenst wrote:So I guess George Washington and Frederick the Great were poor fighters because they were Freemasons, too? Don't you realize that such language undermines everything else you post after it?
Hi Wolery, I think you can find some answers in this thread:Wolery wrote:Nothing I've ever read has ever said they fought well. Some say they fought bravely as indivuals, but that carries only so much power.
Was it bad equipment? Bad leadership, low supplies or poor morale? See I'm writing an AH novel and if I include Italian forces they'll be fighting with a lot of German made equipment (long story) but if their leadership is incompetent or some such better guns and equipment won't help them.
Thanks in advance.
Hi Panzermahn -panzermahn wrote:Another reason is that most of the Italian officer corps and Generals were freemasons.
Hi George,George Lepre wrote:Hi Panzermahn -panzermahn wrote:Another reason is that most of the Italian officer corps and Generals were freemasons.
I think what derGespenst means here is whether it can actually be proved that Freemasonry somehow sabotaged the Italian war effort. Who were the leaders of Italian Freemasonry? Did they make anti-war utterances and/or encourage Italian masons in the army not to fight? What were their positions on the matter?