Italian Army from 1939-1944

Jan · Post by **Jan** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:25 am

Hi
I search Information from 1.it.Army, 3.it.Army and 8.it.Army.

OoB and other Informations.

Jan

Ron Klages · Post by **Ron Klages** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:31 pm

Jan,

Here is data on the 1. and 8. Italian Armys. This information comes from Tessin.

Hope this helps

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year,

Ron Klages

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8. Italian Army

1942
July HG Süd
August HG “B”
September HG “B”
October HG “B”
November HG “B”
December HG “B”
1943
January HG “B”
February HG “B”

OOB
4 July 1942 in transit to HG Süd with
• II. Italian Korps
--Ravenna
--Sforcesca
--Cosseria

5 August 1942
• XXXV. Italian Korps
--Sforcesca
--Pasubio
• II. Italian Korps
--Ravenna
--Torino
• Reserve
--Cosseria
--Italian Calvary Brigade Barbo
--Italian Brigade “23 March”
--Croation Legion

2 September 1942
• Alpini Korps
--Julia
--Cuneense
• II. Italian Korps
--294 Infantry-Division [German]
--Italian Brigade “23 March”
--Cosseria
--Ravenna
• XXIX Italian Korps
--Torino
--62 Infantry-Division [German]
• XXXV Italian Korps
--Italian Calvary Brigade Barbo
--Tridentina
--Sforcesca
--Celere
--Pasubio

8 October 1942
• Alpini Korps
--Julia
--Cuneense
• II. Italian Korps
--298 Infantry-Division [German]
--Italian Brigade “23 March”
--Cosseria
--Ravenna
• XXIX Italian Korps
--Torino
--62 Infantry-Division [German]
• XXXV Italian Korps
--Italian Brigade “3 January”
--Italian Calvary Brigade Barbo
--Tridentina
--Sforcesca
--Celere
--Pasubio
• Reserve
--298. Infantry-Division [German]

5 November 1942
• Alpini Korps
--Julia
--Cuneense
--Tridentina
• II. Italian Korps
--Italian Brigade “23 March”
--Cosseria
--Ravenna
--298. Infantry-Division [German]
• XXIX Italian Korps
--Torino
--Pasubio
--62 Infantry-Division [German]
--Sforcesca
Reserve
• XXXV Italian Korps
--Italian Brigade “3 January”
--Italian Calvary Brigade Barbo
--Celere

1 December 1942
• Alpini Korps
--Julia
--Cuneense
--Tridentina
• II. Italian Korps
--Italian Brigade “23 March”
--Cosseria
• XXXV Italian Korps
--Italian Brigade “3 January”
--298. Infantry-Division [German]
--Pasubio
• XXIX Italian Korps
--Torino
--Celere
--Sforcesca
Reserve
--Italian Calvary Brigade Barbo

1 January 1943
• Alpini Korps
--Tridentina
--Cuneense
--Viebca
• XXIV Panzer Korps [German]
--27. Panzer-Division [German]
--Julia
--Cosseria
--Brigade Fegelein [German]
--385 Infantry-Division [German]
--26. Infantry-Division [German]
--19. Panzer-Division [German]
--298. Infantry-Division [German]
--Pasubio
--Torino
--Cöller
Reserve
• XXXV Italian Korps
--Italian Calvary Brigade Barbo
• II. Italian Korps
3 February 1943
• XXXV Italian Korps
• II. Italian Korps
• Alpini Korps
and remnants of
--Cuneense
--Vicenca
--Tridentina
--Julia
--Celere
--Torino
--Sforcesca
--Pasubio
--Cosseria
--Ravenna
--Italian Calvary Brigade Barbo
--Italian Brigade “23 March”

1. Italian Army

1943
March HG Afrika
April HG Afrika
May HG Afrika

OOB
4 March 1943
• Deutsche Afrika Korps
• XX. Italian Korps
• XXI. Italian Korps
--La Spezia
--Pistoia
--Trieste
--Centauro
--Giovanni-Fascista
--164. light Afrika-Division [German]
--Luftwaffe Jäger Brigade (Ramke) [German]
--90. light Afrika-Division [German]
--15. Panzer-Division [German]

9 April 1943
• Deutsche Afrika Korps
• XX. Italian Korps
• XXI. Italian Korps
--La Spezia
--Pistoia
--Trieste
--Centauro
--Giovanni-Fascista
--164. light Afrika-Division [German]
--Luftwaffe Jäger Brigade (Ramke) [German]
--90. light Afrika-Division [German]
--15. Panzer-Division [German]

1 May 1943
• Deutsche Afrika Korps
--Superga
--21. Panzer-Division [German]
• XX. Italian Korps
• XXI. Italian Korps
--La Spezia
--Pistoia
--Trieste
--Giovanni-Fascista
--164. light Afrika-Division [German]
--90. light Afrika-Division [German]
Reserve
--15. Panzer-Division [German]

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Jan · Post by **Jan** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:16 am

Thanks

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year,

Jan

Lupo Solitario · Post by **Lupo Solitario** » Fri Dec 24, 2004 8:29 am

Jan wrote:Hi
I search Information from 1.it.Army, 3.it.Army and 8.it.Army.

OoB and other Informations.

Jan

A bit large question, anyway...

1st Army: permanent
deployed along italo-french border as southern part of West Army Group at June 10, 1940, fights in the short french campaign of 20-25 June 1940.
Inactivated in fall 1940
Reactivated in February 1943 in Tunisia for trasformation of ACIT. Surrenders May 13, 1943 to allies forces

OOB 10/6/1940
II Corps: infantry divisions "Forlì","Acqui","Livorno"; alpine division "Cuneense"
III Corps: infantry divisions "Ravenna","Cuneo"
XV Corps: infantry divisions "Modena","Cosseria","Cremona"
army reserve: infantry divisions "Pistoia","Lupi di Toscana","Cacciatori delle Alpi"; alpine division "Pusteria"

3rd Army: permanent
controlling forces in peninsular italy as part of South Army Group at June 10, 1940
Inactivated in fall 1940
Never reactivated

OOB 10/6/1940
IX Corps: infantry divisions "Bari","Taro","Piemonte"

8th Army: mobilized in spring 1940
still partly in forming at June 10, 1940 as part of East Army Group in the area between Bologna and Venezia
Inactivated in fall 1940
Reactivated in spring 1942 to be sent in Russia with alternate definition of ARMIR, becomes full operative on Don River in September 1942.
Practically destroyed in December 1942-January 1943 soviet offensive.
Back in Italy March 1943
Deployed along northeastern italian border in summer 1943 and still in reforming, it's crushed by germans at armistice

OOB 10/6/1940
VI Corps: infantry divisions "Messina","Parma","Casale"
XIV Corps: infantry divisions "Marche","Puglie"

OOB 11/12/1942
Alpine Corps: alpine divisions "Tridentina","Julia","Cuneense"
II Corps: infantry divisions "Ravenna","Cosseria"
German XXIX Corps: infantry division "Sforzesca"; autotrasportabile division "Torino"; 3rd Celere Division P.A.D.A.
XXXV Corps: autotrasportabile division "Pasubio"; 298th German Infantry Division

OOB 8/9/1943
XXXV Corps: alpine divisions "Tridentina","Cuneense"
XXIII Corps: alpine division "Julia"
XXIV Corps: infantry divisions "Torino","Sforzesca"

Note: only divisional forces are indicated

at dispo
Lupo

PS Merry Christmas

Jan · Post by **Jan** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 10:43 am

Hi
How was the arrangement of an Italian army?
Similarly some German?
Have You more Informations?

Cheers Jan

Lupo Solitario · Post by **Lupo Solitario** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 3:10 pm

mmm...complicated:

an Italian Army should be formed by from 2 to 4 Corps; Army assets included one or more army artillery raggruppamenti, perhaps an AA artillery raggruppamento, a specialized engineer raggruppamento and a variable bulk of troops. It was often formed a Raggruppamento Celere d'Armata joining indipendent mobile regiments (Bersaglieri, Cavalry, armored...). Again, an army could include forces of Border Guard or Coastal.
The Logistic structure depended by situation (homeland, overseas, etc.)

However during WWII italian armies operated almost always with improvised OOB where is often difficult to find an order...

Jan · Post by **Jan** » Sun Dec 26, 2004 10:14 am

Hi
When were the armies set up?
Who was the OB's of the armies?

Jan

Lupo Solitario · Post by **Lupo Solitario** » Sun Dec 26, 2004 10:26 am

At september 1st, 1939 Italian Army had six permanent army commands (1st-6th). During winter 1939-40, other three (7th, 8th and 10th) had been formed for mobilization.
In fall 1940 were deactivated army commands 1st, 3rd, 7th, 8th and activated 9th and 11th.
10th Army was destroyed in February 1941
7th and 8th Army were reactivated in spring 1942
1st Army was reactivated in February 1943 and destroyed in May
6th Army was practically destroyed in August 1943
At september 8th, 1943 were active army commands 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 11th

Other army level commands:
ACIT active in 1942
CTS active in first half 1942
Sardinia forces command active in 1943
ARMIR, Supersloda, Superalba, Supergrecia: alternate definition for 8th, 2nd, 9th and 11th Army in certain periods

Late, forgive my ignorance but what is an OB?

Bye
Lupo

Jan · Post by **Jan** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:33 am

Hi
Oberbefehlshaber
Chef of the Army

Jan

Lupo Solitario · Post by **Lupo Solitario** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 1:35 pm

Commanders of 1st Army
at June 10th, 1940 Gen. Pietro Pintor
from february to may 1943 Gen. Giovanni Messe

Commanders of 3rd Army
at June 10th, 1940 Gen. Carlo Geloso

Commanders of 8th Army
at June 10th, 1940 Gen. Adalberto di Savoia
from spring 1942 to september 1943 Gen. Italo Gariboldi

Jan · Post by **Jan** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:01 am

Hi
From where do you refer your information?

Jan

Lupo Solitario · Post by **Lupo Solitario** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:16 am

Oh God, practically by entire italian literature on WWII.

However I'd tell that Lucio Ceva "Storia delle Forze Armate in Italia" UTET 1999, collectes the largest part of them...

Jan · Post by **Jan** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:36 am

Hi
Unfortunately I do not know the Italian language.

Do you have still further OoB's?

Jan

Lupo Solitario · Post by **Lupo Solitario** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:54 am

1-1 I don't speak german...

Told this, what exactly do you need? (I hope you don't want an OOB day-by-day for four years)

Jan · Post by **Jan** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 4:46 am

I need to it.Armeen only from these 3.
From which armies do you have still OoB`s?

Jan

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