Operation Sea Lion

thatsteveguy · Post by **thatsteveguy** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 3:28 pm

HI,
my first post here and first off I would like to say that this is a very impressive sight. Also the forum seems to have a wealth of information and some very helpfull folks also.
I was wondering if any of you would know where I could find some on-line detailed info on Operation Sea Lion. I am interested in battle plans or if luck should have it a map. I realize the plan was aborted but am also sure that the documents were found after the war.
Any help would be appreciated and thanks in advance.
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wombat · Post by **wombat** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 2:41 am

put down a search on this site and you'll probably find somethinf that's usefull

thatsteveguy · Post by **thatsteveguy** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 3:41 am

I did. That is why I am asking. Didn't find anything.
but thanks
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wombat · Post by **wombat** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 3:57 am

excuse me for this. I was confused with the Third Reich Historical Forum. excuse me

thatsteveguy · Post by **thatsteveguy** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 5:08 am

Yep didn't find anything there either. Well just someone asking the same thing!
I can find lot's of refrences to it, or about it, but that has been about it.Went through the collection in my library and nothing specific there either.
I did find in my searches where the documents are. Something like box 20 in storage locker 2 as part of a collection of some Rear Admirals belongings but forgot to book mark the page and now I can't find it again!!
oh the humanity of it all!!

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wombat · Post by **wombat** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 5:32 am

did you search on sea lion?

Try seelowe or seelöwe

Richard Hargreaves · Post by **Richard Hargreaves** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 1:15 pm

There's very little online on Sealion sadly. Not a lot of books either, and the best are nearly 50 years old.

In German, Karl Klee's two books Dokumente zum Unternehmen “Seelöwe.” Die geplante deutsche Landung in England 1940 and the general account Das Unternehmen “Seelöwe.” Die geplante deutsche Landung in England 1940 remain the best sources. The best English account is Ronald Wheatley's Operation Sealion - published back in 1957!

thatsteveguy · Post by **thatsteveguy** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 5:46 pm

Yes I noticed that also. Was trying to track some of those books down as well at some of the used book stores.Had some luck but it would be quite expensive by the time I got them shipped here! I love my history but it's an expensive hobby at times.
I managed to kind of get information piece meal so to speak and one guy did post some scans of plans on the third reich forum and well as order of battle etc so that helped.
This is what happens when I think of something in passing, Hop on the net hoping to find a good site that covers it then spend the next four or five days obsessively crawling the web!! lol
chow and txs
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redcoat · Post by **redcoat** » Wed Aug 06, 2003 2:16 pm

For a British view on the possibility of Sealion try this web-page

http://www.flin.demon.co.uk/althist/seal1.htm

thatsteveguy · Post by **thatsteveguy** » Wed Aug 06, 2003 2:36 pm

That one was a good one. I found that one in my searches last week-end. but thank you. I ordered P Schenk's Invasion of England 1940 which should be a great source but it's gonna cost me as I found a copy in England and have to have it shipped here to Canada.The book wasn't cheap either.
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redcoat · Post by **redcoat** » Wed Aug 06, 2003 4:11 pm

If you are interested in the German units which were intended to be a part of Sealion, try this web-page;

http://www.thirdreichforum.com/viewtopi ... sc&start=0

thatsteveguy · Post by **thatsteveguy** » Wed Aug 06, 2003 4:47 pm

Yep got that one also! lol. Actually it's where I found the title for the book I ordered.
That thread has some nice map pics too, just wish they were bigger.
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nebelwerferXXX · Post by **nebelwerferXXX** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:26 pm

German Airborne Forces:
4,500 paratroopers
12,000 air-landing troops

Gliders:
Me 321 Gigant
Ju 322 Mammut
DFS 230

Leo Niehorster · Post by **Leo Niehorster** » Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:29 am

<Mr. Picky™>
The Me 321 Gigant and Ju 322 Mammut did not exist at the time of the Sea Lion 1940 planning.
</Mr. Picky™>

And where did you get the parachute and air landing numbers?
Leo

nebelwerferXXX · Post by **nebelwerferXXX** » Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:49 am

Plan for the defense of Britain: 1940
Population: 47,700,000

C-in-C Home Forces: Ironside (then Brooke)

East Coast: GHQ defense line: from Edinburgh to Medway
I Corps (59th Div, 2nd Div, 44th Div & 1st Div)
II Corps (18th Div, 52nd Div & 55th Div)
IV Corps (43rd Div)
XI Corps (15th Div)
2nd Armored Div (incomplete)
2 x 305-mm Railway How Mk 5
4 x 343-mm Guns...Dover

South Coast: GHQ defense line: from south of London to south of Bristol
V Corps (50th Div & 4th Div)
VII Corps
XII Corps ( NZ Div, 1st London Div & 45th Div)
1st Armored Div (incomplete)

only 13.5 battered divisions in Britain, perhaps not more than the equivalent of 3 divisions at full strength.
poorly armed, in urgent need of training & mobility. No Army Truck. Artillery was in short supply. Armour totally inadequate.

The British infantry for 13.5 divisions:
55,000 officers, NCOs & men with 15,000 rifles
2,500 Bren LMGs
108 Vickers HMGs
few hundreds of Thompson SMG

From the USA:
500,000 WW I-vintage bolt-action rifles
1,000 57-mm AT guns with 1,000,000 rounds
50 destroyers

Home Guard: 1,250,000 volunteers, end of July 1940. Almost unarmed. Manning coastal defenses.

[sources:]
1) Infantry weapons
2) Montgomery
3) The Allied War Machine
4) Chronological Atlas of WW II...Charles Messenger
5) Chronological Atlas of WW II...Barrie & Frances Pitt

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