Is the 84 IR from 8 ID - IV armee crossed the Meuse first?

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Re: Is the 84 IR from 8 ID - IV armee crossed the Meuse first?

Post by noeneors » Mon May 23, 2011 12:52 am

Hello Tigre
Many thanx for your translation...
Is it possible to see more of the map? I'm so interested by actions in the north of Yvoir. (Profondeville/Godinne)
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Re: Is the 84 IR from 8 ID - IV armee crossed the Meuse first?

Post by tigre » Sat May 28, 2011 6:23 am

Hello to all :D, something more.............

Story of an Army Corps from the German border to the French-Belgian border. May 1940.

Suddenly, alarm!, the 3. / IR 84 (Hauptmann v. Pfungen) made contact with the enemy. Upon reaching the spearhead of the company a crossroads, the Leader of the subunit and his Platoon Leaders went ahead with his maps to reconnoitre, being surprised by a group of French cavalry (belonging to 4 Cavalry Div) which opened fire on the German soldiers, killing Hauptmann v. Pfungen, Ofw Purrmann and another NCO, while other members of the vanguard were wounded.

Hauptmann v. Pfungen had reached Gleiwitz from Vienna several months ago and as recalled by Oberleutnant Drexler, he was married very recently.

After the firefight the advance guard was reorganized and the 1. Company relieved the 3. Company. That very afternoon (on May 13, 1940) the regiment went into Yvoir. Even at midnight there were elements of the French cavalry in the eastern bank of the river.

Sources: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... IR84-R.htm
Das verdammte Gewissen (La conciencia maldita). Erich Mende.
Der Weltkrieg in sein rauhen wirchlichkeit 1939-45.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... /IR7-R.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... A604-R.htm
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Situation in the area of Yvoir on 14 May 1940 morning.
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Re: Is the 84 IR from 8 ID - IV armee crossed the Meuse first?

Post by tigre » Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:24 am

Hello to all :D, something more.............

Story of an Army Corps from the German border to the French-Belgian border. May 1940.

The IR 84 was to cross the Meuse River on the morning of May 14, 1940, with strong support from artillery and Stuka formations of the Luftwaffe. After getting across it should establish a bridgehead on the western bank of the river. To the north the I. / IR 84 under Maj. Koboldt would be reinforced by the engineer Platoon of the regiment and to the south, the III. / IR 84 under Maj. Berger would be reinforced by a company of Pi Btl 8. No one could sleep that night and just before midnight the dinghies were there.

The former chief of the 1. Company, Oberleutnant Schlabitz, was now Adjutant in the Regiment and Leutnant Gawel was in charge of the subunit, it would be the first to cross. The water course was about 70 meters wide with plenty of bushes and shrubs on the banks, behind each tree could be the enemy. Before carrying out the crossing, still at night, it was reconnoitered towards Yvoir, a place that was free of enemy, inside some houses were found remnants of bread, cans of corned beef and cavalry’s tools; from the other side anything was seen nor heard.

Sources: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... IR84-R.htm
Das verdammte Gewissen (La conciencia maldita). Erich Mende.
Der Weltkrieg in sein rauhen wirchlichkeit 1939-45.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... /IR7-R.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... A604-R.htm
Nord- Pascal Mougin.

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Re: Is the 84 IR from 8 ID - IV armee crossed the Meuse first?

Post by tigre » Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:22 pm

Hello to all :D; Noeneors here goes a map (may be you already know it)..........

Situation by May 14, 1940.

Source: HISTORIQUE DE LA CAVALERIE MOTORISEE BELGE VOLUME 3. LA BATAILLE DE LA GETTE

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Re: Is the 84 IR from 8 ID - IV armee crossed the Meuse first?

Post by noeneors » Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:17 am

hello Tigre
I really don't know this map. Many thanx for that.
As I told it many times, I live in the exact area where IR84 crossed the Meuse, and the river banks are under my eyes every days.
No informations about the exact crossing spot?
I study as well french 8 RI reports whith dinghies trying in front of Profondeville and Rivière.
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Re: Is the 84 IR from 8 ID - IV armee crossed the Meuse first?

Post by tigre » Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:47 am

Hello to all :D; something more.............

Story of an Army Corps from the German border to the French-Belgian border. May 1940.

Still someone had to throw himself into the cold waters of the Meuse and check the speed of the current, hence it must pass a light boat and secure a line to the other side. My assistant, Gefr. Baron volunteered, clarifying that he had swam in the Oder. Baron plunged into the water and found a current of about 2 m / s so that the crossing was due to start about 100 meters upstream. After carrying the light boat up the river, it was thrown into the water and crossed in complete silence, ensuring the line to a trunk in the western river bank.

After the successful crossing of the first boat, began shipping the first group of Leutnant Gawel. When had been crossed to the west bank of the Meuse three rifle squads and the Platoon Leader, began the first shots. However, the situation was not as bad as the fire was inaccurate and the French soldiers shot blindly. Then it started falling artillery shells, but these raised water columns without harm neither our personnel nor the boat.

Sources: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... IR84-R.htm
Das verdammte Gewissen (La conciencia maldita). Erich Mende.
Der Weltkrieg in sein rauhen wirchlichkeit 1939-45.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... /IR7-R.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... A604-R.htm
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Re: Is the 84 IR from 8 ID - IV armee crossed the Meuse first?

Post by tigre » Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:23 am

Hello to all :D; something more.............

Story of an Army Corps from the German border to the French-Belgian border. May 1940.

The Meuse crossing by Yvoir and Profondeville.

Meanwhile on my left had started the crossing of our III. Battalion supported by the engineer company of the Pi Btl 8; the crossing operation at Yvoir took place in a front of about 300 to 400 meters. Leutnant Gawel with his entire company was the first to fight and reduce hostile resistance nests on the west bank of the Meuse. He was soon followed by another company.

While we had changed the small boats by the largest ones, which could carry 12 men. Halfway through the river burst a grenade so close to us that Maj. Koboldt was wounded in the head; he lost half of an ear and was bleeding profusely. He was replaced by Hauptmann Ring. Increased artillery fire from the fortress of Namur, which shot at on the crossing points with pieces of great caliber. However the crossing continued under the support of our own artillery.

Sources: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... IR84-R.htm
Das verdammte Gewissen (La conciencia maldita). Erich Mende.
Der Weltkrieg in sein rauhen wirchlichkeit 1939-45.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... /IR7-R.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... A604-R.htm
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The crossing continued under the support of artillery.............
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Re: Is the 84 IR from 8 ID - IV armee crossed the Meuse first?

Post by noeneors » Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:49 am

Hello Tigre
Is it a translation of the german book of Erich Mende or maybe it exist an English version of this excellent book.
From which source are the pictures?
Many many thanks for your heavy help.
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Re: Is the 84 IR from 8 ID - IV armee crossed the Meuse first?

Post by tigre » Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:00 pm

Hello noeneors :D, it's my translation (sure it could exist a better one) from the Erich Mende book (I do not know any book in english so far). The pictures from "Der Weltkrieg in sein rauhen wirchlichkeit 1939-45". Glad it be useful for you. Cheers. Raúl M 8).
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Re: Is the 84 IR from 8 ID - IV armee crossed the Meuse first?

Post by noeneors » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:25 am

Hello to all
A document signed Blaurock (General commandant from 8 ID) from Belgian Military archiv in QET Evere Brussels.
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Re: Is the 84 IR from 8 ID - IV armee crossed the Meuse first?

Post by tigre » Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:46 am

Hello to all :D; something more.............

Story of an Army Corps from the German border to the French-Belgian border. May 1940.

The Meuse crossing by Yvoir and Profondeville.

At noon came the Stukas air support; the planes attacked the enemy positions at the height of Warnant. Taking advantage of this support the bridgehead on the western shore was effectively widened. At nightfall a bridgehead had been firmly established on the west bank of the Meuse at the height of Warnant. The losses, despite the intense fire, were lower than expected.

The I. Battalion and the III. Battalion had established a stronghold of about 3 km wide and 2 km in depth. It was started with the construction of a bridge, an action that had been impeded by the intense night bombing. Despite a counterattack supported by tanks launched by the French the German battalions kept their lines and three hostile armored vehicles were destroyed. The heights across the Meuse in Binoul, a small town on the route to Walcourt were firmly in German hands.

Sources: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... IR84-R.htm
Das verdammte Gewissen (La conciencia maldita). Erich Mende.
Der Weltkrieg in sein rauhen wirchlichkeit 1939-45.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... /IR7-R.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... A604-R.htm
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The infantry crossed then aboard larger boats.
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Re: Is the 84 IR from 8 ID - IV armee crossed the Meuse first?

Post by tigre » Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:46 am

Hello to all :D; something more.............

Story of an Army Corps from the German border to the French-Belgian border. May 1940.

The Meuse crossing by Yvoir and Profondeville.

On May 14, 1940 it was a successful day, because of the rapid crossing of the Meuse which was presented as a serious obstacle for its steep banks between Namur and Dinant. On this day the bulletin of the Wehrmacht announced that Silesian troops crossed the Meuse in first place. The resistance encountered on the other side of the watercourse was violent and over the next days the IR 84 fought against the French regiment bearing the same number (84 RI).

Meanwhile the IR 7 of the 28ID had reached Assese on May 14, 1940 and there the I. / IR 7 was attached to IR 83 to clear of enemies the Bois de Nimes.

Sources: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... IR84-R.htm
Das verdammte Gewissen (La conciencia maldita). Erich Mende.
Der Weltkrieg in sein rauhen wirchlichkeit 1939-45.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... /IR7-R.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... A604-R.htm
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Re: Is the 84 IR from 8 ID - IV armee crossed the Meuse first?

Post by noeneors » Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:19 am

Hello Tigre
I'm also forumer on ATF40 (a forum dedicated to French army of 1940). In this forum a french guy talked about informations from III/ IR 84 reporter. Is this KTB available somewhere? (book or something else)
Thank you for your reply
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Re: Is the 84 IR from 8 ID - IV armee crossed the Meuse first?

Post by tigre » Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:32 am

Hallo Noeneors :D; for the time being I've nothing about the III./ IR 84; if you get it.............let me know. Cheers. Raúl M 8).
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Re: Is the 84 IR from 8 ID - IV armee crossed the Meuse first?

Post by noeneors » Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:27 am

Hello Tigre
Did you receive files about KTB ID28 Ib by YOUSENDIT, I send you since a few days?
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