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This is number of combat units (rifle, tank, artillery, engineer and anti-aircraft) without army/front rear/supply troops.ljadw wrote:It depends on what one is counting
ready for combat (in German "tagesstarke)
It was behind Central and Voronezh fronts.Steppefront:449133
It is safe to assume that the Germans at Kursk have the following:paul_atrydes wrote:May 43 - 272nebelwerferXXX wrote:By comparison: Kursk: Tank production per month
German:
100 Panzer Mark IVs
June 43 - 253
July 43 - 244
August 43 - 283162 / 160 / 202 / 12050 Panthers50 / 60 / 65 / 6025 Tigers
~1 300 / 995 / 1 302 /1 333Soviet:
1,000 T-34 medium tanks75 / 30 / 52 / 611,000 KV heavy tanks
nebelwerferXXX wrote:It is safe to assume that the Germans at Kursk have the following:paul_atrydes wrote:May 43 - 272nebelwerferXXX wrote:By comparison: Kursk: Tank production per month
German:
100 Panzer Mark IVs
June 43 - 253
July 43 - 244
August 43 - 283162 / 160 / 202 / 12050 Panthers50 / 60 / 65 / 6025 Tigers
~1 300 / 995 / 1 302 /1 333Soviet:
1,000 T-34 medium tanks75 / 30 / 52 / 611,000 KV heavy tanks
280 Tigers
560 Panthers
1,120 Panzer Mark IV tanks
300 captured T-34s, disguised as German tanks
90 Ferdinand assault guns...at Model's sector
350 other assault guns
146 Tigers?ljadw wrote:about the Tigers:followingZetterling and Frankson (Kursk,a statistical analysis) the number of Tigers was 146,and this is more credible :only 3 PD(LSSAH,DR,TK) and Pz Abt 503 and 505 had Tigers .
from a post on AHF (by Chistoph Awender) I have the following Tiger distribution:nebelwerferXXX wrote:146 Tigers?ljadw wrote:about the Tigers:followingZetterling and Frankson (Kursk,a statistical analysis) the number of Tigers was 146,and this is more credible :only 3 PD(LSSAH,DR,TK) and Pz Abt 503 and 505 had Tigers .
It refers only to the operational Tigers. During the battle of Kursk 147 Tigers were assembled, & by an almost superhuman effort over 120 were actually ready to fight. They acquired themselves well in battle, only 18 being lost. The Pz Abt 503 & 505 had '90 Porsche Ferdinand assault guns' in Tiger chassis deployed in Model's Ninth Army. All of them were lost due to Soviet Infantry actions. The elite Gross Deutschland Division had a battalion of Tiger tanks also.
Captured T-34 tanks?
The SS-Das Reich had 25 T-34 tanks as Panzer Jager...
,some Tigers were engaged and lost in NA,others were lost in the East .The 120 Tigers these were brand-new ones. The other 27 brand-new Tigers suffered mechanical problems...totaling 147 Tigers, I am correct.ljadw wrote:from a post on AHF (by Chistoph Awender) I have the following Tiger distribution:nebelwerferXXX wrote:146 Tigers?ljadw wrote:about the Tigers:following Zetterling and Frankson (Kursk, a statistical analysis) the number of Tigers was 146,and this is more credible :only 3 PD (LSSAH, DR, TK) and Pz Abt 503 and 505 had Tigers .
It refers only to the operational Tigers. During the battle of Kursk 147 Tigers were assembled, & by an almost superhuman effort over 120 were actually ready to fight. They acquired themselves well in battle, only 18 being lost. The Pz Abt 503 & 505 had '90 Porsche Ferdinand assault guns' in Tiger chassis deployed in Model's Ninth Army. All of them were lost due to Soviet Infantry actions. The elite Gross Deutschland Division had a battalion of Tiger tanks also.
Captured T-34 tanks?
The SS-Das Reich had 25 T-34 tanks as Panzer Jager...
PG D GD : 15
LSSAH : 13
DR : 14
Tot : 15
Pz Abt 505: 31
Pz Abt 503: 45
1/Pz Abt 502: 14
These figures are for 1 July.
On the over 120 tigers: were these new Tigers,or 'old ' ones that were damaged and repaired ?
If they were new ones,that should mean some 280 Tigers at Citadelle, but, till 1 July 1943 only 292 Tigers were produced, and, if I am nor wrong,
Usually Steppe front counting as STAVKA reserve.ljadw wrote:that's why I said :it's depending on what one is counting
May be 30? There were 26 T-34 in DR and 1 in 6 PD.nebelwerferXXX wrote:300 captured T-34s, disguised as German tanks
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