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Panzerbeobachswagen Panther
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:24 am
by Apollyon
There were supossed to be 41 made did any ever see combat?
Re: Panzerbeobachswagen Panther
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:41 am
by sniper1shot
Description or picture of it??
Re: Panzerbeobachswagen Panther
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:26 pm
by Apollyon
Re: Panzerbeobachswagen Panther
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:12 pm
by sniper1shot
I can't say I have read on it myself.
Thanks for the photo.
What size gun on it?
Re: Panzerbeobachswagen Panther
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:30 pm
by Waleed Y. Majeed
Re: Panzerbeobachswagen Panther
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:34 pm
by Waleed Y. Majeed
What size gun on it
MG34!
Gun is replaced with rangefinders etc. Barrel is camouflage.
Read post (very bottom) in second link.
waleed
Re: Panzerbeobachswagen Panther
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:01 am
by Apollyon
@Waleed my German isn't so good, does the second link say if it saw combat ?
Re: Panzerbeobachswagen Panther
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:19 pm
by Tanker Mike
Apollyon wrote:There were supossed to be 41 made did any ever see combat?
No production run was ever done. Just one prototype. Production of combat tanks were deemed more important than a artillery observation vehicle.
Mike
Re: Panzerbeobachswagen Panther
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:40 pm
by Apollyon
From what I read they were not "prodution" tanks they were refits to damaged vehicles.
Re: Panzerbeobachswagen Panther
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:54 pm
by Tanker Mike
Apollyon wrote:From what I read they were not "prodution" tanks they were refits to damaged vehicles.
I seem to recall reading that somewhere too. However, it never happened.
Mike
Re: Panzerbeobachswagen Panther
Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:57 pm
by laurence strong
From what I can find, only a single trials vehicle was built/converted.
Re: Panzerbeobachswagen Panther
Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:05 am
by nigelfe
I could comment that before you need OP tanks you need sufficient artillery to make them worth while. Looking at the picture there aren't any obvious signs of arty specific instruments and there aren't the number of antennas one might expect (based on UK's quite extensive use of OP tanks including many with dummy guns).
Re: Panzerbeobachswagen Panther
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:09 am
by Apollyon
Have you looked at a Panzerbeobachswagen III very successful vehicle and had a similar "look"
nigelfe wrote:I could comment that before you need OP tanks you need sufficient artillery to make them worth while. Looking at the picture there aren't any obvious signs of arty specific instruments and there aren't the number of antennas one might expect (based on UK's quite extensive use of OP tanks including many with dummy guns).
Re: Panzerbeobachswagen Panther
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:06 pm
by laurence strong
I have been wondering what he means by "Atrillery specific equiptment". Back then all you had was a map, binoculars, a compass and a radio or 2. We still shoot like that for the most part, though laser range finders are now used instead of estimating distance to target.
Re: Panzerbeobachswagen Panther
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:21 am
by nigelfe
German arty seems to have had some affinity for optical rangefinders and tripod mounted binos.