StuG IV Divisions?

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StuG IV Divisions?

Post by siker1 » Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:50 am

I've recently got back into modelling and am interested if anyone could help with stug IV divisions, insignias or both. Would like my models to be accurate. Including the numbers and colours, zimmerit etc.. :[]
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Post by Paul_9686 » Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:00 pm

According to Osprey New Vanguard # 37, Siker1, StuG IVs were normally issued as single companies of 14 (later 10) vehicles each to infantry, Jaeger, mountain and Volksgrenadier divisions. But there were exceptions; Panzer Abteilung 190 of the 90th Panzergrenadier Division in Italy was fully equipped with StuG IVs, as was Panzer Abt. 8 of the 20th Panzergrenadier Division, and the divisional tank battalions of the 4th and 17th SS Panzergrenadier Divisions.

It was also issued to the 5th SS Panzer Division Wiking, but the above mentioned book isn't clear about whether these StuGs were issued to the tank regiment, or to the divisional tank-destroyer battalion. Perhaps someone else can answer that.

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Post by siker1 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:44 am

Thanx Paul. Anything at all is helpful I have recently acquired that book and am trying to obtain some signal books to see what information they have on the subject. I was going to paint my stug IV dark yellow with "panzer lehr" L's on the mud guards just wanted to make sure that they actually existed in panzer lehr div!

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Post by Paul_9686 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:18 am

Well, it looks as though you can't put your StuG IV in Panzer Lehr, Siker1, but if you still want a vehicle in Normandy, the 17th SS Panzergrenadier Division is your best choice.

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Post by siker1 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:43 pm

Paul,
I've actually found a photo (US Army) in a Wydawnictwo Militaria book no. 94 Sturmgeschutz IV page 13 claiming to be an abandoned stugIV probably from "Panzer Lehr Division" France Aug 44. The only difference is no schurzen on in particular photo. :?

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Post by C.GILLONO » Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:29 am

Beware of photo caption in most books...
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Post by Paul_9686 » Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:32 pm

What C. Gillono said was certainly true, Siker. A number of books about Kursk, for example, have photos of SS-crewed Panthers which are claimed to belong to an "SS-Panther Brigade", when in fact no such unit existed. The only Panther units at Kursk were the 51st and 52nd Panzer Abteilungen, of the Heer's 10th Panzer Brigade. The first SS Panther-equipped battalion was I/SS-Panzer Rgt. 2, which didn't arrive until mid-August 1943--a month after the Kursk operation was called off by Hitler.

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Post by Nordwest » Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:37 pm

No photos, just the plain facts

Link: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... eilung.htm

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Post by Paul_9686 » Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:29 am

Thanks for the link, Michael; I sure wish my German was better than a smattering of military terms, but it was a good one, nonetheless.

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Post by Martin Block » Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:59 pm

For a StuG IV units overview based on actual research check the good old 'StuG IV photofile' here:

http://missinglinks2.tripod.com/index.htm

Could need a little update here and there by now but for a start it's still a pretty complete overview - if I'm allowed to say so :wink:

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Post by Paul_9686 » Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:24 pm

Sorry, Martin; I've tried to open that page three times and each time, it not only refused to open, it made my machine crash--apparently, PDF files don't work well with Netscape Navigator (my browser; Internet Explorer no longer works for me). What's in that PDF file, if I may ask?

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Post by Martin Block » Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:35 am

Sorry to hear that Paul! In that file you can find a complete list of StuG IV unit allocations I myself have compiled some years ago using original documents found in BA-MA and NARA archives. There's also a listing of units fielding StuG IV on 15.1.1945 and another one as of mid April 1945.
In addition to that you can find a list of photo captions for the 100+ StuG IV thumbnails on 'Sturmgeschutz IV Contact Sheet 1 - 3'.

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Post by Paul_9686 » Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:37 pm

I tried Firefox, Martin, but that caused my machine to crash, too. Thanks, anyway. Maybe if I get the opportunity, I'll go back there and look at the pics.

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Post by siker1 » Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:23 am

Thanx for the help guys! I've been shown the tripod site before. A very good site. As for the other one I'm a nivice so might take me a while to work it all out! Thanx for the helpful information. :up:
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Post by Nordwest » Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:10 am

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