Tieflader für Panzerkampfwagen

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Tieflader für Panzerkampfwagen

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Hello!

Again I need the help of the community. During the work on my KStN charts I sometimes have problems to determine the correct vehicles/trailers.

In a Panzerwerkstattkompanie KStN 1187 (5.10.1937) there are 5 trailers for tank transports with the designation Vsah.654 and Vsah.642. The 642 seems to be for heavier tanks as it is towed by the Sd.Kfz.9.

I know Sd.Ah.115 and 116 but how do these two above mentioned look? Were they the same with just another (pre war) designation?
Any info on Vsah.654 and 642 welcome.

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Christoph;

Again, Milsom's book as I've quoted before.

SdAh115 - 8/10ton transporter
SdAh116 - 23ton transporter
SdAn118 - 45ton transporter
SdAn123 - 68ton transporter

The 115 is shown as a "low-boy" transporter( as we call it in the US, doubt that it is called that in the rest of the world). The center load-carrying portion is set down about right below the wheel hub centerline.

The 60/68ton transporter is a level carrier running on 24 wheels on 6 axles spread over the length of the trailer.

No photos or details of the other variants.

I've seen Milsom's book on eBay everal times. Well worth getting.

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Thanks again Paul but my question was about the Vsah designations. I have fotos of all the Sd.Ah. versions but not of these Vsah. trailers. :(

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Re: Tieflader für Panzerkampfwagen

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Hello to all :D; just to close the ring...........................

Vs ah.654 and Vsah.642.

AFAIK both the Tiefladeanhänger für Panzerkampfwagen 20t (Vs. Ah. 642) and the Tiefladeanhänger für Panzerkampfwagen 8t (Vs. Ah. 654) were testing model of the Tiefladeanhänger für Panzerkampfwagen 22/23t (Sd. Ah. 116) introduced in Dec 1940 and the Tiefladeanhänger für Panzerkampfwagen 10t (Sd. Ah. 115) introduced in Apr 1938. Vs. stands for Versuch-experimental.

Sources: http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_ ... ilers.html

Cheers. Raúl M 8).
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Here an Sd. Ah. 115 (Sonder Anhänger- special trailer) in Poland 1939 carrying a Pz Kw II .............................<br />HAMMER Polen Polska Panzer II Tank Anhänger Tieflader (!!) Beute Traktor Foto. eBay Auction.
Here an Sd. Ah. 115 (Sonder Anhänger- special trailer) in Poland 1939 carrying a Pz Kw II .............................
HAMMER Polen Polska Panzer II Tank Anhänger Tieflader (!!) Beute Traktor Foto. eBay Auction.
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A Pz Kw III on a Sd. Ah. 116 towed by a Sd Kfz 9 ......................<br />Photo-Famo F2-Zugkraftwagen 18t -Panzer III E-SdAnh.116-SdKfz 9- Steyr 220. eBay Auction.
A Pz Kw III on a Sd. Ah. 116 towed by a Sd Kfz 9 ......................
Photo-Famo F2-Zugkraftwagen 18t -Panzer III E-SdAnh.116-SdKfz 9- Steyr 220. eBay Auction.
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Re: Tieflader für Panzerkampfwagen

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Hello to all :D; a little more......................

The Sd. Ah. 115!

Source: in the picture.

Cheers. Raúl M 8).
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A Pz Kw 38 (t) being carried in a Sd. Ah. 115; note the extra jerry cans behind the turret..............................<br />http://www.tankograd.com/cms/website.php?id=/de/Panzer-38.htm#
A Pz Kw 38 (t) being carried in a Sd. Ah. 115; note the extra jerry cans behind the turret..............................
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Re: Tieflader für Panzerkampfwagen

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Hello to all :D; a little more......................

The Sd. Ah. 116!

Source: http://www.panzer-modell.de/referenz/fo ... /album.htm.

What gradient could overcome loaded and empty? TIA. Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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Sd.Ah.116 in railcars (rear view)...............................
Sd.Ah.116 in railcars (rear view)...............................
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Sd.Ah.116 carrying a Pz Kw IV .............................
Sd.Ah.116 carrying a Pz Kw IV .............................
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This slope could probably be overcome with empty wagon....................
This slope could probably be overcome with empty wagon....................
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Re: Tieflader für Panzerkampfwagen

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Hello to all :D; a little more......................

The Sd. Ah. 115!

Faun L900 truck and trailer Sd. Ah. 115 carrying tanks Pz Kw I and Pz Kw II ..............................

Source: in the pictures.

Cheers. Raúl M 8).
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Panzer auf Tiefladeanhänger, Sd.Ah.115. eBay Auction. 13. Sep. 2014 21:14:38 MESZ
Panzer auf Tiefladeanhänger, Sd.Ah.115. eBay Auction. 13. Sep. 2014 21:14:38 MESZ
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Re: Tieflader für Panzerkampfwagen

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Hello to all :D; a little more......................

The Sd. Ah. 116!

Source: 1221# Foto WH Panzer Transporter Schwertransporter Anhänger.

Cheers. Raúl M 8).
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Sd.Ah.116 carrying a Pzkpfw III Ausf. H and a motorcycle with sidecar ...............................
Sd.Ah.116 carrying a Pzkpfw III Ausf. H and a motorcycle with sidecar ...............................
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Re: Tieflader für Panzerkampfwagen

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Hello to all :D; a little more......................

German Tank transporters!

Source: http://odkrywca.pl/panzer-1939-czesc-10,676891.html.

Cheers. Raúl M 8).
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A Sd. Ah. 115 carrying a Pz Kw 38 (t).....................................
A Sd. Ah. 115 carrying a Pz Kw 38 (t).....................................
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Re: Tieflader für Panzerkampfwagen

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Hello to all :D; a little more......................

German Tank transporters!

Source: http://odkrywca.pl/wrzesien-1939-zdjeci ... 50461.html

Cheers. Raúl M 8).

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A Sd. Ah. 115 carrying a Pz Kw 38 (t) of Panzer Abteilung 67 in Poland 1939.....................................
A Sd. Ah. 115 carrying a Pz Kw 38 (t) of Panzer Abteilung 67 in Poland 1939.....................................
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Hello to all :D; a little more......................

German Tank transporters!

Source: Original Foto deutscher Panzer auf Anhänger 2.WK. eBay Auction.

Cheers. Raúl M 8).

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A German column on the move, in it a Sd. Ah. 115 carrying a Pz Kw 38 (t) and towed by a Zugkraftwagen; behind a Pz Kw II ......................
A German column on the move, in it a Sd. Ah. 115 carrying a Pz Kw 38 (t) and towed by a Zugkraftwagen; behind a Pz Kw II ......................
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A column of trucks Faun L900 carrying tanks Pz Kw II and trailers Sd. Ah. 115 with Pz Kw I..................................
A column of trucks Faun L900 carrying tanks Pz Kw II and trailers Sd. Ah. 115 with Pz Kw I..................................
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Re: Tieflader für Panzerkampfwagen

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Hello to all :D; a little more......................

The Sd. Ah. 116!

Source: http://imf.forum24.ru/?1-24-20-00000032 ... 1305482769.

Cheers. Raúl M 8).
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In this case a Sd.Ah.116 of the 2nd Armored Group (see the White letter G) carrying a Brückenleger IV s (Sturmstegpanzer) ..........................
In this case a Sd.Ah.116 of the 2nd Armored Group (see the White letter G) carrying a Brückenleger IV s (Sturmstegpanzer) ..........................
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Hello to all :D; a little more......................

German Tank transporters! Light Division on the move - Poland in 1939.

Source: http://odkrywca.pl/panzer-1939-czesc-14,721701.html.

Cheers. Raúl M 8).
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Truck Faun L900 (probably) carrying a Pz Kw II Ausf. D / E and its trailer Sd. Ah. 115 with a Pz Kw I Ausf. B.................................
Truck Faun L900 (probably) carrying a Pz Kw II Ausf. D / E and its trailer Sd. Ah. 115 with a Pz Kw I Ausf. B.................................
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A rarity indeed, truck Faun L900 (probably) carrying a Pz Kw II Ausf. D/E and its trailer Sd. Ah. 115 with a Brückenleger II on a chassis Ausf. D/E..................................
A rarity indeed, truck Faun L900 (probably) carrying a Pz Kw II Ausf. D/E and its trailer Sd. Ah. 115 with a Brückenleger II on a chassis Ausf. D/E..................................
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Re: Tieflader für Panzerkampfwagen

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Hello to all :D; a little more......................

German Tank transporters! Light Division on the move - Poland in 1939.

Source: http://odkrywca.pl/panzer-1939-czesc-14,721701.html.

Cheers. Raúl M 8).
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Truck Faun L900 (probably) carrying a Pz Kw II Ausf. D / E and its trailer Sd. Ah. 115 with a Pz Kw I Ausf. B.................................
Truck Faun L900 (probably) carrying a Pz Kw II Ausf. D / E and its trailer Sd. Ah. 115 with a Pz Kw I Ausf. B.................................
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Re: Tieflader für Panzerkampfwagen

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Hello to all :D; a little more.........................

German Tank transporters!

Source: Source: http://odkrywca.pl/panzer-1939-czesc-14,721701.html.
AD65-Panzer-III-Langrohr-Turmnummer-111-auf-Tieflader-Sonderanhanger-Zugmittel

Cheers. Raúl M 8).
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A Zugkraftwagen towing a Sd. Ah. 115 carrying a Pz Kw II b ..................................
A Zugkraftwagen towing a Sd. Ah. 115 carrying a Pz Kw II b ..................................
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A Zugkraftwagen towing a Sd. Ah. 116 carrying a Pz Kw III Langrohr (Ausf.J?) ..................................
A Zugkraftwagen towing a Sd. Ah. 116 carrying a Pz Kw III Langrohr (Ausf.J?) ..................................
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