KGr Trabant or "Böhmen - Mähren"

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KGr Trabant or "Böhmen - Mähren"

Post by jarek » Thu Jun 12, 2003 4:30 am

Hi, guys

In beginnings of April 1945 one formed SS fighting group (SS-Kampfgruppe) in composition SS-Gren. Rgt. (Ostubaf. R Konopacki), batallion of sappers, artillery mixed batallion (Ostubaf. Doctor And. Curtius) and allotted 88. Hungarian artillery battalion. 16 April group became enlarged about two improvised regiments of infantry and renamed on KGr "Böhmen - Mähren". Group is often deceived from 31. SS-Gren. Div. According to my sources composition of group was following:

SS Kampfgruppe „Böhmen - Mähren"
8. 04. 1945 - Kampfgruppe Trabant from SS-PZ. Gren. Schule Kienschlag
CO from 8. 04. 45 - SS-Brigadeführer Wilhelm Trabant

SS - Regiment Mähren
??. 04. 1945 - formed KGR „Mähren"
[I. Btl.( 1. - 4.), II. Btl.( 5. -8.), III. Btl.( 9. -12.) ], le. Art. Abt., ung. Art. Abt. 88( 1. - 3. Bttr)
16. 04. 1945 - Regiment 1. /KGr „Böhmen - Mähren"
[I. Btl.( 1. - 4.), II. Btl.( 5. -8.), III. Btl.( 9. -12.) ]
6. 05. 1945 - capitulated in Austria

CO from April 45 - SS-Sturmbannführer Erich Siegmann
Siegmann was lecturer of tactics in SS-Junkerschule Prag.
With battalions commanded: I. - Stubaf. Jäger, II - Kanth, III - ?.
10 company of regiment became formed from 2. /SS-Pz. Jg. (StuG) AuE Abt. Chlum.

SS Regiment Schulze
??. 04. 1945 - formed KGR Schulze [I. Btl. ( 1. - 4.), II. Btl. ( 5. -8.), III. Btl. ( 9. -12.) ]
16. 04. 1945 - Regiment 2. KGR „Böhmen - Mähren"
6. 05. 1945 - capitulated in Austria

CO from April 45 - SS-Obersturmbannführer Hubert(?) Schulze
Schulze was commander of school - group in SS-Junkerschule Kienschlag.

SS Regiment Böhmen
8. 04. 1945 - formed KGR „Böhmen" [I. Btl.( 1. - 4.), II. Btl.( 5. -8.), III. Btl.( 9. -12.) ]
16. 04. 1945 - Regiment 3. KGR „Böhmen - Mähren"
6. 05. 1945 - capitulated in Austria

CO from 8.04. 45 - SS-Obersturmbannführer Rudolf Konopacki
Konopacki was commander of school - group in SS-Junkerschule Kienschlag.
With battalions commanded: I. - Hstuf. Hans Eckert, II. - Stubaf. Fritz Maurer from SS-Pz. Gren. AuE Btl. 16, III. - Hstuf. Willi Bormuth.

SS Artillerie Abteilung
16. 04. 1945 - formed [1. - 2. Kanonen Bttr (100 mm) and 3. Werfer Einheit ( 2 x Sfl mit Schinenbünde)]
6. 05. 1945 - capitulated in Austria
CO in .04.45 - SS-Obersturmbannführer Artur Curtius

Who has more details?

Best regards
Jarek
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Post by Rob - WSSOB » Thu Jun 12, 2003 6:44 am

Hi Jerek - great job on your research! If I can dig anything up for you I'll post it on this thread. I was wondering - what sources did you use? -- Rob

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Post by George Lepre » Thu Jun 12, 2003 3:49 pm

Hi guys -

My friend Roland Pfeiffer wrote a long, detailed article about this unit. You can find a copy of it in the November 1998 edition of Die Kameradschaft.

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Kampfgruppen "Trabant", "Böhmen" und &qu

Post by Martin Block » Fri Jun 13, 2003 1:20 pm

An entry in the files of Gen.St.d.H./Org.Abt. dated April 10, 1945 shows the following composition without giving details about specific unit designations:

Kampfgruppe "Trabant"

Stab &
1. Gren.Btl. (4 Gren.Kp.) mit
7 Offz.
84 Uffz.
600 Mannschaften
897 Gewehre
44 MG
6 m.Gr.W.
50 M.Pi.

2. Gren.Btl. (4 Gren.Kp., 1 Werferzug) mit
7 Offz.
75 Uffz.
571 Mannschaften
610 Gewehre
24 MG
5 m.Gr.W.
17 M.Pi.
4 Sturmgewehre

3. Gren.Btl. (3 Gren.Kp., 1 s.Kp.) mit
15 Offz.
115 Uffz.
803 Mannschaften
520 Gewehre
78 MG
12 m.Gr.W.
75 M.Pi.

Art.Abt. (Stabs-Bttr., 3 Bttr.)
14 Offz.
135 Uffz.
337 Mannschaften
12 10 cm Kan. 18
385 Gewehre
7 MG
8 M.Pi.

behelfsmäßig mot. Pi.Kp. (3 Pi.-Züge, 1 s.MG-Gruppe)
2 Offz.
25 Uffz.
116 Mannschaften
109 Gewehre
11 MG
13 M.Pi.
120 T-Minen
51 S-Minen

Pz.Jg.Kp. (3 Pz.Jg.Züge, 1 Inf.Begl.Zug)
4 Offz.
30 Uffz.
121 Mannschaften
12 Sturmgeschütze L/48 (III?)
51 Gewehre
4 M.Pi.

le.I.G.Kp. (3 le.I.G.Züge)
1 Offz.
23 Uffz.
72 Mannschaften
6 le.I.G. 18
75 Gewehre
4 MG
9 M.Pi.

Gesamtstärke:
50 Offz.
508 Uffz.
2620 Mannschaften



Kampfgruppe "Böhmen"

Stab &
1. Gren.Btl. (3 Gren.Kp., 1 s.Kp.) mit
17 Offz.
97 Uffz.
570 Mannschaften
333 Gewehre
37 MG
6 m.Gr.W.
30 M.Pi.
27 Sturmgewehre

2. Gren.Btl. (3 Gren.Kp., 1 s.Kp.) mit
12 Offz.
83 Uffz.
400 Mannschaften
333 Gewehre
37 MG
6 m.Gr.W.
30 M.Pi.
27 Sturmgewehre

3. Gren.Btl. (3 Gren.Kp., 1 s.Kp.) mit
12 Offz.
83 Uffz.
400 Mannschaften
333 Gewehre
37 MG
6 m.Gr.W.
30 M.Pi.
27 Sturmgewehre

Art.Abt. (Stabs-Bttr., 2 Bttr.)
14 Offz.
80 Uffz.
310 Mannschaften
12 15 cm sFH
200 Gewehre
8 MG
12 M.Pi.

Pi.Btl. (3 Pi.Kp.)
11 Offz.
83 Uffz.
392 Mannschaften
416 Gewehre
27 MG

le.I.G.Kp. (3 le.I.G.Züge)
1 Offz.
23 Uffz.
72 Mannschaften
6 le.I.G. 18
75 Gewehre
4 MG
9 M.Pi.

Gesamtstärke:
67 Offz.
449 Uffz.
2144 Mannschaften



Kampfgruppe "Mähren"

Stab &
1. Gren.Btl. (3 Gren.Kp., 1 s.Kp.) mit
12 Offz.
103 Uffz.
786 Mannschaften
493 Gewehre
76 MG
12 m.Gr.W.
73 M.Pi.

2. Gren.Btl. (3 Gren.Kp., 1 s.Kp.) mit
6 Offz.
74 Uffz.
618 Mannschaften
600 Gewehre
36 MG

Art.Abt. (bespannt) (Stabs-Bttr., 3 Bttr.)
13 Offz.
98 Uffz.
236 Mannschaften
8 le.FH 16
4 12,2 cm Kan.Haub.
385 Gewehre
7 MG
8 M.Pi.

Pi.Btl. (2 Pi.Kp.)
12 Offz.
59 Uffz.
319 Mannschaften
365 Gewehre
11 MG
3 M.Pi.

le.I.G.Kp. (3 le.I.G.Züge)
1 Offz.
23 Uffz.
72 Mannschaften
1 le.I.G. 18 (5 short?)
75 Gewehre
4 MG
9 M.Pi.

Gesamtstärke:
44 Offz.
357 Uffz.
2631 Mannschaften



That's all I could find. Hope this helps!
Source: NARA Microfilm Roll T78 R415


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Post by Marc Rikmenspoel » Sat Jun 14, 2003 10:16 pm

What I have complements the good information Jarek provided. It comes from Siegrunen #69, and is based on the research of Hungarian expert Rudolf Pencz. A German version appeared in Der Frewillige, but I haven't seen that article.

The namesake of Reg. Schulze was Herbert Schulze, the Knight's Cross winner formerly with Reg. Der Führer. It is not believed that he was ever promoted to Obstubaf. His I. Bat. commander was Stubaf. Kanth, the II. Bat. commander was Stubaf. Maurer. The III. Bat. commander was Hstuf. Böhm.

For Reg. Siegmann, Pencz agrees with his name and rank, and has a very similar I. Bat. commander, calling him Stubaf. Jägers, with the "s" possibly a typo. A different name is given for II. Bat., Hstuf. Dülfers. The III. Bat. commander is listed as Hstuf. Weiss.

The Artillerie Abteilung commander is also listed as Obstubaf. Curtius, but with "Dr." before his name, and "Arthur" as the spelling of his first name (again a possible typo). Curtius was formerly commander of schwere SS-Artillerie Abteilung 503, which apparently never joined the III. (germ.) SS-Panzerkorps. It was in formation in Austria or the Protectorate, and whatever it amounted to was added to Curtius' group in late April 1945, under the leadership of Hstuf. Schnell.

For Reg. Konopacki, Pencz shows partial agreement. He also has Eckert as the I. Bat. commander, but places Bormuth with the II. Bat. as commander. For the III. Bat., the commander is listed as Hstuf. Herbert Effenberger (German Cross in Gold November 8, 1943).

The article lists various company commanders, and many training units which contributed cadre personnel. I can provide these details if requested, but the above is long enough for the moment!

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KGr Trabandt or Böhmen - Mähren

Post by jarek » Sun Jun 15, 2003 7:25 am

Guys, thanks very much for all info.
Jarek
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Re: KGr Trabant or "Böhmen - Mähren"

Post by WorldwarBill » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:26 pm

Hey everybody. I've been researching this unit and most sources are unavailable. In the thread, one thing has thrown me. Martin Block lists the 12 Sturmgeschutze in Kampfgruppe Trabandt but Jarek has them in Kampfgruppe Mahren as 2. /SS-Pz. Jg. (StuG) AuE Abt. Chlum. I have to assume these mean the same thing.

Also, I know there is a lot of confusion about who called them what, but I should also mention that I've seen them listed as SS Kampfgruppe Trabant I, II and III, because they were part of SS Kampfgruppe Division Bohmen und Mahren.

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