SS-Infantry Division (mot.) "Wiking" in the Caucas

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Hello folks, a bit more.

The Kuban river crossing.

The river stretched out along 810 kilometers; Ptolomeo called it Vardames; Estrabon Hyspanis and the Cherkesses Pshishshe (old water). Runs from the Mount Elbrus area first towards the north and then to the west. It has two branchs, the north ones, called Protoka, reached the Azov Sea; the south ones, maintained its name Kuban, and reached the Black Sea in the Kziltash Gulf.

The Germans units were roughly 75 / 100 kilometers away to the north of the river trying to speed the advance towards the south.

02 Aug 1942 - The Kampfgruppe reinforced with the SS Germania Regiment’s Staff, the II./ SS Germania and the bulk of the Engineers, Flak, Antitank and Communications battalions remained at Bielaia Glina due to fuel shortage. The night before one supply column (five trucks) was suddenly attacked in the middle of the dark by soviet raiders south of Jegorlik; when the first vehicle stopped in front of one road obstruction, the crews were fired upon and killed with rifles and submachine guns, then the trucks were stormed and destroyed.

The divisional Commander analized two courses of action, one was a sudden attack against Kropotkin including one coup de main in order to seize the rail and road bridges located there. The second was to ford the river somewhere between Kropotkin and Grigoripolnsskaia.

After a detailed study of some aerial photos, the staff could ascertain that in the Grigoripolnsskaia sector the river basin widened and wooded land covered both river banks. Also the bank’s slopes had only a few meters of height. Therefore this sector was chosen for fording the river.

03 Aug 1942 - The Division commander arrived and took over the command again; The SS Wiking was re-organized in two kampfgruppen, one around the SS Germania and the other around the SS Nordland. After replenishing (night of 02 / 03 Aug), the SS Wiking could proceed at dawn. The advance guard, established around the SS Germania (reinforced), reached Grigoripolnsskaia at 13:00 hours sending out recce patrols to the south and east.

Meanwhile, the SS Nordland (reinforced) march group reached Dimitrijewskaia at 12:30 hours and halted there in order to take some rest up to 16:00 hours, but around 14:30 hours was attacked by roughly 20 russian planes which straffed and bombed the town knocking only a few vehicles and destroying two storch planes landed nearby.

Late that very afternoon, the SS Germania (reinforced) after reaching the western edge of the town (Grigoripolnsskaia) launched one sudden attack trying to ford the river, but the surprise had been lost and the assault was rejected.

That night the divisional commander had on hand three courses of action:

- To resume the attack at Grigoripolnsskaia, strengthening it with the SS Nordland.
- To ford the river at Worowska.
- To launch the coup the main against the Kropotkin’s bridges.

The last solution was the chosen one.

The divisional commander ordered that the SS Germania (reinforced) should held the ground gained deceiving the enemy meanwhile the SS Nordland (reinforced) should attack Kropotkin at dawn, conquest it and then seize both bridges ASAP avoiding its destruction.

Source: "From Caucasus to Leningrad". Tomo I. By Lt Col Marini. Circulo Militar. Buenos Aires.

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Hello folks, now let see the course of action chosen.

The conquest of Kropotkin.

(Peter Kropotkin, russian sociologist, 1842 - 1921, went back to Petrograd on 1917 after 40 years of exile. On 1918 went to Dmitrov, 65 kilometers off Moscou, where lived till his dead).

04 Aug 1942 - At 06:00 hours the SS Nordland kampfgruppe departed organized as follows:

Point: one Recce Platoon.

Vanguard: one tank squadron with one rifle company mounted on it.

Bulk (5 / 6 kilometers behind): 5 SS Pz Abt. (less one squadron), Command staff, I./ SS Nordland (less one company), antitank company, anti aircraft Platoon, artillery group (Abt).

Rear guard (5 kilometers behind): II./ SS Nordland, one anti aircraft Platoon, trains.

Temisbekskaia was surpassed without incidents but at Kavkasskaia the vanguard was engaged by two hostile rifle companies which started its withdrawal towards Kropotkin; the surprise had been lost.

After surveying the russian positions, the ground and the built up areas from the southwest corner of Kavkasskaia Standarten Fuhrer Fritz Scholz, taking in account the coverless terrain up to the eastern edge of Kropotkin, assessed the situation and issued the following order:

II./ SS Nordland was to attack, supported by 2. / 5 SS Pz Abt., the southeast edge of Kropotkin from Kavkasskaia.

I./ SS Nordland was to attack, supported by 1./ 5 SS Pz Abt., along the rail road leading to Kropotkin, in order to knock the town from the north or northeast.

The artillery abteilung, placed on the west edge of Kavkasskaia, was to furnish fire support mainly to II./ SS Nordland and eventually to I./ SS Nordland.

The Recce Platoon was to secure the northern flank of the I./ SS Nordland.

The anti aircraft Platoons were to protect the force against hostile planes from the west of Kavkasskaia and eventually cover the northern flank of the II./ SS Nordland.

The anti tank company was splitted and attached to both battalions (I. and II./ SS Nordland).

The 3./ 5 SS Pz Abt. was to act as reserve at Kavkasskaia.

The attack was lauched around 08:30 hours and the II./ SS Nordland pressed forward reaching at 10:00 hours up to roughly 500 meters of Kropotkin. Meanwhile the I./ SS Nordland attacking astride the rail road reached some ground located one kilometer due north of Kropotkin. At this very moment, the Recce Platoon informed that one hostile column, around 1000 men, was marching towards the town (Kropotkin) from the northwest.

This was a serious threat on the I./ SS Nordland’s back, therefore Standarten Fuher Scholz ordered that the tank commander with the reserve (3./ 5 SS Pz Abt) should attack going round the right wing of the II./ SS Nordland (taking with them all the riflemen that could climb onto the tanks) and penetrated up to the train station then immediately towards the rail bridge. Then the regimental commander took his liaisson vehicle, drove cross country up to the 2./ 5 SS Pz Abt and took the squadron’s command. When all the riflemen nearby were onto the tanks he raced towards the bridge at great speed and at 11:00 hours reached the train station; around 11:15 the 2./ 5 SS Pz Abt arrived at the north embankment when an awful blast sounded and the bridge was blown, immediately another explosion followed to the west and the road bridge also was destroyed. With both bridges destroyed the struggle diminished. The I./ SS Nordland pressed the enemy column towards the west and the II./ SS Nordland carried out mopping out operations in the town.

The artillery looking for targets could observe 30 trains trying to escape to the south; the three batteries took part in a contest trying to burn the trains down. After half an hour around 300 wagons loaded with guns, ammunition, fuel and equipment were burning.

The tanks targeted some trains loaded with fuel located close to the river south of the embankment. The kampfgruppe Nordland took up an all-round position east of Kropotkin that night. At dawn the kampfgruppe marched towards Grigoripolnsskaia in order to join with the bulk of the division.

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Source: "From Caucasus to Leningrad". Tomo I. By Lt Col Marini. Circulo Militar. Buenos Aires.

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Hello to all, now lets go back to SS Germania.

The river crossing at Grigoripolnsskaia.

This very day, the SS Germania could establish a tiny bridgehead (400 meters x 400 meters) at Grigoripolnsskaia in the difficult lowlands located on the river bank.

05 Aug 1942 - When the SS Wiking’s Commander knew about the failed operation at Kropotkin, ordered to enlarge the bridgehead gained at Grigoripolnsskaia and reinforced the assault troops located there with the SS AR 5 (6 batteries of howitzers 105 mm, 2 batteries of howitzers 155 mm and 1 battery of cannons 105 mm) and Corps’s artillery (3 batteries of cannons 105 mm, 3 batteries of howitzers 210 mm and 1 group of rockets launcher with 2 batteries x 8 guns x 6 tubes of 150 mm each and 1 battery x 8 guns x 5 tubes of 280 mm each)

With this support the I./ SS Germania could press forward slowly during the afternoon and night and by Aug 06 at dawn enlarged the bridgehead along the river (1 kilometer x 1,5 kilometers) denying the enemy observed fire over the river bank. After that one Corps’s Engineer battalion started to built up one bridge (24 tons) of about 75 meters over pontoons ; its access were reinforced with planks, logs and stones.

Meanwhile the I./SS Germania was fighting in the bridgehead and the Engineer battalion was building the pontoon bridge, the balance of the division dug in and then remained in its well concealed positions and fox holes. However, suddenly they were fired upon by russian guns of 120 mm. It was a surprise since no hostile recce plane was overflying them and the enemy could not observe the crossing point, moreover one artillery group that changed its position twice was shelled every time it was deployed.

Then the Officers surveyed the field carefully in order to detect the enemy OP location. After several patrols were sent, it was finally found in the tower of one old church that become a barn under soviet rule. The russian Forward Observers had destroyed the stairs and had blocked the door with logs and stone. Surrender was out of question so the patrol tossed one hand granade in the tower, when the spot was reached two braves russian Officers were found dead so the patrol saluted those valiants that carried out his tasks to the end.

Source: "From Caucasus to Leningrad". Tomo I. By Lt Col Marini. Circulo Militar. Buenos Aires.

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Hello gents, following with the SS Wiking story.....

The river crossing.

During the night of 6/7 Aug 1942, the II./ SS Germania got across the river and reached the bridgehead established by the I./ SS Germania. On 07 Aug at 04:00 hours one stuka group appeared and dropped its bombs upon the target and hostile positions in front of the II./ SS Germania; simultaneously the artillery and rockets launchers laid a violent barrage on the russian defensive position and after that at 04:10 hours, the II./ SS Germania attacked towards south and west and compeled the enemy to withdraw after a short fight. Some of the 120 mm guns previously mentioned were captured by this troop.

At 04:30 hours the balance of the SS Wiking crossed in the following order: as vanguard the SS Pz Abt. 5 with the 5./ SS Nordland mounted on the tanks; then the SS A.A. 5; then the SS Nordland with the SS AR 5 and at last the SS Germania. The division advanced towards Kropotkin.

Source: "From Caucasus to Leningrad". Tomo I. By Lt Col Marini. Circulo Militar. Buenos Aires.

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Hello and Happy New Year for all

The advance to Kropotkin goes on.

The first group should destroy the hostile defensive position located to the south of Kropotkin in order to allows that the LVII Pz K’s engineers could re-build the bridges there; so the vanguard followed by the SS “Nordland” marched about 12 kilometers straight to the west up to the road Rostow - Kropotkin - Armavir - Georgievskv - Bakú.

After reaching the mentioned road, the vanguard detached patrols towards the south and west as security turning then to the northwest and heading to Kropotkin. The railway ran parallel to the main road roughly 10/20 meters. A lot of destroyed trains could be seen as far as 12 kilometers south of the town.

When a train loaded with suggar and soap was discovered it was ordered that one truck per unit should load it aided by the engineer company. Meanwhile the vanguard had reached one point located 5 kilometers south of the village and seemingly the south bank of the Kuban river was free of enemy.

Standartenfuhrer v. Scholz halted the column and organized a new advance guard on the spot, sending it immediately to the southwest towards Termigojewskaia. After coming back the old vanguard tried to resume its task instead of remain as rear guard (the regimental commander forgot to order it) so in the race all the column vehicles mixed each other and the divisional commander flew into a rage.

After marching 80 kilometers the SS “Nordland” reached, at 21:30 hours, without problems the village of Termigojewskaia in the middle of the dark. The town was located on one Kuban river’s tributary, the Laba of roughly 100 meters wide.

The soviet troops had started to build up new defensive positions on the south bank of the river so it was decided to attack before it was finished and then reinforced.


Source: "From Caucasus to Leningrad". Tomo I. By Lt Col Marini. Circulo Militar. Buenos Aires.

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Hello folks, so long....a little more about the SS Wiking.

The Laba river crossing.

The attack at Termigojewskaia.

On 08 Aug, at dawn (03:00 hours), the II./ SS “Nordland” jumped off, almost none was known about the enemy with regards to its defense and figures of men and guns. So the heavy battery (howitzers of 155 mm) had orders to shell, as so be able, both sides of the bridge in order to avoid its destruction; the light batteries (howitzers 105 mm) detached one Forward Observer to each front line company and the Artillery Abt. detailed one more Forward Observer to the battalion CP as well.

The front line battalion (II. Battalion) fought heavily, between 03:00 and 07:00 hours, every pillbox, every group of houses should be stormed. At 07:00 hours the russians had started the withdrawal towards the Laba’s south bank blasting the bridge behind them.

But the Regimental Commander also had ordered that the I./ SS “Nordland” should organize a ford operation a few kilometers to the west, where the river had a big bend. So this battalion had forded the river before dawn with two rifle companies conveyed in neumatics raft manned by the regimental engineers. Once on the south bank, the unit advance towards the bridge at Temirgojewskaia but was checked by strong enemy forces and nevertheless the fire support furnished by machine guns, mortars and artillery it could not overcome the resistance and dug in on the ground reached.

Source: "From Caucasus to Leningrad". Tomo I. By Lt Col Marini. Circulo Militar. Buenos Aires.

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Hello to all, now the SS Germania try.....

The attack at Tenginskaia.

The Divisional Commander in order to assure the operation success had ordered that the SS “Germania” launched an attack at the village of Tenginskaia, located 25 kilometers to the west, and crossed the Laba at this point.

The regiment’s assault suffered the same fate of that of the SS “Nordland”, a bridgehead was established but the bridge itself was blasted. However, the river’s wide was only 50 meters there so the divisional Engineers Battalion could work covered by the bridgehead troops and after nearly 30 hours built up a new one with pontoons finishing on the night of 09/10 Aug.

On Aug 09, a Sunday; both regiments held its positions driving back several counter attacks against the bridheheads. As the villages inhabitants were cossacks the german soldiers received a warm welcome, also those people gave them milk and eggs as presents. Part of the provisions received were conveyed to the frontline troops and in the afternoon was served a lunch for the officers not needed at the front. After 15 days the troops could take a bath by groups in the stream that ran on the western edge of the village. However the day ended in a bad way for one battery allowed its gunners to take a bath and they swan towards the south bank where one hostile machine gun spotted them and opened fire, killing 6 and wounded 8 men in the water.

As was told before this night, the bridge over the Laba river at Tenginskaia was finished and the SS “Nordland” withdrew its troops from the bridgehead at Temirgojewskaia and moved on Aug 10 at dawn towards the crossing point.

This very day the SS Wiking moved southwards around 35 kilometers reaching the area located north of the village of Beloretchenskaia in the middle of a valley in the foothill of the Caucasus Range.

Source: "From Caucasus to Leningrad". Tomo I. By Lt Col Marini. Circulo Militar. Buenos Aires.

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Hello greetings from Argentina. Following with the SS Wiking and its fights.

Conquest of the oil fields in the western Caucasus.

The Caucasus mountain range stretched out from northwest to southeast for almost 1.100 kilometers establishing the border between Europe and Asia. Its height went down from the center towards both edges; so near the Black Sea it stands 600 / 700 meters with the following mountain pass: Wulinsk, towards the Mulan valley; Chrebtowy, linking the valley of Pssekabe and the valley of Dshuba towards the big coastal road. Then the mountain rises up to 2.800 meters in the Tuapse - Beloretchenskaia - Labinskaja - Adler and then up to more than 5.600 meters (Elbrus 5.630 meters, Kaschtantau 5.148 meters, B Dysch-tau 5.145).

The area had a huge amount of petroleum, especially in the eastern ridges nearby Baku on the Azov Sea coast. Two others fields were located south and west of Bieloretchenskaia spreading out around 50 kilometers on both sides of Chadyshenkaia; the other was near Grozny.

South of Mozdok there was a few shafts also. Only one railway ran through the mountain range from Bieloretchanskaia to Tuapse.

The SS Wiking had reached one area located few kilometers north of the village of Bieloretchenskaia (25 kilometers west of Maikop) and there the Divisional Commander received a twofold mission as follows:

First was to seize the petroleum fields located near Chadyshenkaia (1) - Neftegorsk and then to penetrate along the valley towards Tuapse on the Black Sea coast in order to surround the soviet troops in the western Caucasus in cooperation with Units of the 17 AOK.

(1) Chadyshenkaia was a road hub, three motorways reached the town; from the northwest, the Krasnodar road; from the north, the Kropotkin - Bieloretchenskaia road and from the northeast, the Armavir - Maikop road. From there the road led towards Tuapse on the Black Sea coast.

Bieloretchenskaia was, at that time, full of hostile troops so the SS Wiking tried to conquest the village as soon as possible. During the night the divisional artillery shelled the area surrounding Bieloretchenskaia and at dawn the advanced march group, SS Germania reinforced with SS Pz Abt 5 attacked the town.

Simultaneously, the 1 Pz Army had detached the 13 Pz Div in order to clear the area of Maikop and the bulk of it was advanced towards the line Budennows - Georgijewsk - Pjatigorsk. On its eastern wing the 16 ID (Mot) had been detached towards Elista between the Jaschkul and Manytsch rivers.

Source: "From Caucasus to Leningrad". Tomo I. By Lt Col Marini. Circulo Militar. Buenos Aires.

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Hello gents, the story follows.....

Due to the 13 Pz Div actions great number of enemy troops were pushed towards Bieloretchenskaia, so all day long, 11 Aug 1942, the SS Germania reinforced, tried to seize it coming from the north but without success. Meanwhile the SS Nordland had taken an all-round position 5 kilometers due north of the town; at midnight one soviet truck’s column entered the hedgehog and reached up to 300 meters of the artillery positions, the howitzers opened fire in the dark almost at point blank sweeping out vehicles and men.

Gruppen fuhrer Steiner ordered that the SS Nordland should go round the town by the west and ford the Bielaia river blocking the valley from the southwest. The movement should be start that very night, so on Aug 12, at 19:00 hours the Regiment began its cross country march. After a while the vehicles were unable to advance across that terrain in the dark, therefore the II./ SS Nordland proceeded its march on foot. The artillery group took fire positions to support the crossing and the I./ SS Nordland covered the column’s rear and flank (artillery, vehicles and supply trains).

The Bielaia river was a Kuban’s tributary, that ran from the ridges located south of Maikop and at that time had scarcely 50 meters wide and 1 meter of depth and roughly 5 kilometers to the northwest of the village it received the Pschecha river as affluent.

The II./ SS Nordland forded the river successfully and one bridgehead was established by 00:30 hours, on 13 Aug; at 01:30 one enemy counter attack was rejected. At 04:00 hours as the sun rose, hostile cavalry was discovered (roughly 500 riders) approaching from the east, (probably from Zerkownyj area). The column was engaged with machine guns and anti tank cannons and nearly wiped out, the remnants fled towards the southeast into the wooded foothill.

Meanwhile, one Sturmbann Fuhrer standing near one of the batteries, when turning to give an order could see an infantry column of enemy soldiers marching past as far as 600 meters. The fight in the Bielaia river area attracted the russian attention so they could not detect the german positions located on the first bank. The I./ SS Nordland was alarmed and the guns turned back, then the column was shelled and fired, shortly after that the remnants fled leaving one Lt Col, four captains and 400 men as POWs.

At 06:00 hours the german column (I./ SS Nordland, artillery and vehicles) proceeded to the bridgehead and then advanced towards the southwest.

Source: "From Caucasus to Leningrad". Tomo I. By Lt Col Marini. Circulo Militar. Buenos Aires.

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Hello, greetings from Argentina; a bit more.....

A lot of enemy wreckage, equipments and guns could be seen all over the ground there. From time to time some hostile patrols were compeled to withdraw towards the wooded area. In its southwestward march the SS Wiking had its eastern flank covered since the 1 Pz Army’s elements were operating in the Maikop area; but the situation was quite different on the western flank. There the terrain was an open and coverless field doted with woods and villages. The own infantry was advanced southward; the 101 JD and the Slovak Fast Div were approaching as fast as possible but still stayed several march’s days away.

To avoid any surprise from that direction against its west flank or rear, the SS Wiking’s Commander detached the SS Nordland (reiforced this time with its III. battalion of finnish volunteers) and the III./ SS AR 5 in order to establish three hedgehog all along that flank.

Meanwhile the SS Germania proceeded its march straight toward Chadyshenskaia, it used to be a pretty village in the middle of the mountain landscape, but when the german reached there, they found only devastation; the soviet had blasted the oil refinement plants, destroyed the machinery and stopped the shafts up. The fire lasted two days.

On Aug 12 the SS Division reached the Maikop’s oil fields located between 35 and 60 kilometers far away from that city.

Source: "From Caucasus to Leningrad". Tomo I. By Lt Col Marini. Circulo Militar. Buenos Aires.

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Hello gents, following with the actions......

The situation from 13 to 16 Aug 1942.

The SS Wiking still had the following task: “to penetrate along the valley and reach the town of Tuapse on the Black Sea coast”; but due to the difficult terrain, this was not a very suitable one for a motorized division because it had to advance forward about 55 kilometers, as crow flies, through a valley of 300/800 meters wide surrounded by steep slopes and spurs of 300/600 meters high. The slopes were covered by thick woods and following the valley ran the Pschisch (Psits) stream, a winding creek with several bridges along its course, unfortunately all destroyed.

The AOK 17 sent the XXXXVI AK (Jager) with its 97 JD and 101 JD to seize and then clear the foothills and heights, meantime the SS Wiking pressed on following the valley.

On Aug 13 the first elements belonging to the 101 JD reached the valley south of Bieloretschenskaia and the next day (Aug 14) entered Chadyshenskaia. However its companies had one striking force of around 100 men, all exhausted after two weeks of marching with a daily rate of 40 kilometers with temperatures of almost 50 ºC.

Meanwhile the SS Germania reinforced with the SS Pz Abt. 5 anf two artillery groups was detached south of Chadyshenskaia in order to wipe out strong resistance detected there. The SS Nordland was splitted along the heights of the western ridge in order to halt the soviet troops withdrawing towards south. Two battalions were deployed west and southwest of Kabardinskaia; the III./ SS Nordland (finnish) was deployed between Kossiakin and Gurisskaia. During the night of 15 to 16 Aug the advanced posts established west of Kossiakin were attacked by strong russian forces. These post were reinforced immediately with one rifle company, part of the heavy weapons company plus the fire support furnished by one artillery group and the enemy could be rejected. At dawn could be ascertained that around 800 riders and 150 riflemen launched the assault trying to break towards the south.

Around 17 or 18 Aug the units of the LVII AK reached the SS Wiking’s area.

Source: "From Caucasus to Leningrad". Tomo I. By Lt Col Marini. Circulo Militar. Buenos Aires.

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Hello folks, at last a little more......

Operations in the Caucasus range.

The 17 AOK’s units had marched roughly 400 kilometers from the Don river to the western Caucasus and now were held a fan shape front of around 470 kilometers. In this huge area were moving southwards four Army Corps (V AK, LVII Pz K, XXXXVI Jager K and XXXXIX Gebirgs K); the frontage stretched from Novorossijsk on the west, where contact was established between Temriuk and Anapa, with own forces coming from the Kerch Strait and to the Elbrus on the east.

The advance was carried out as follows:

The Western Group organized with the V AK which was to reach and seize the main port of Novorossijsk and meet the forces coming from the Kerch Strait.

The Central Group, organized with the LVII Pz K and the XXXXVI JK which were to seize the coastal city of Tuapse and open the coastal road towards Ssuchumi.

The Eastern Group, organized with the XXXXIX GK which was to strike through the valley of Azgora and the valley of Gumitsa towards the city of Ssuchumi in connection with the Central Group.

Behind, in second line, should follow the Alpini Corps with three divisions (1).

(1) When the 17 AOK’s Commander received his mission at Kurchevskaja (75 kilometers due south from Rostow), the Alpini Corps’s Commander was there. However, this Corps never reached the Caucasus due to the situation at Stalingrad.

With the SS Wiking.

The kampfgruppe of SS Nordland was held a front of around 15 kilometers wide stretched over a rough terrain covered with woods and underbrush. It was hard to hold that sector and block all the approaching avenues with 2000 men but for the time being there was not other solution.

In front of the german positions the russian had dug in and prepared theirs fortified positions as well, following the heights along the Psits stream which had 10 to 20 meters wide and 50 cms to 1 meter deep. The stream ran to the west up to Chadyshenskaia turning then southwards forming an arc along the northern slopes of the height 374 with a beatiful landscape and where the railway got across the mountains through a tunnel which stretched between heights 519 and 568.

The 101 JD had its CP at Chadyshenskaia organized with the JR 229 in the southwestern corner of the station and the JR 228 towards the south.

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Source: "From Caucasus to Leningrad". Tomo I. By Lt Col Marini. Circulo Militar. Buenos Aires.

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Post by sid guttridge »

Hi tigre,

The information in your last post is very inaccurate in places. It seems to confuse plans for reality. For example:

No Italian Alpini were ever used in the Caucasus. It was planned to use them, but this did not happen.

It was 2nd Romanian Mountain Division that went into the far eastern Caucasus, not two Romanian mountain divisions.

Only one Slovak division was employed in the Caucasus.

The western flank advance to the ports on the Kerch straights was conducted by the Romanian Cavalry Corps, with very little German presence.

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Hello Sid, glad to greet you (in spite of the attack :D ), please let me put my opinion in words, be patient:

First: I never said that the Alpini force were "ever employed" ....but
should follow the Alpini Corps
...it's means its employment was planned not accomplished, as you told us; nevertheles Oberst Poul Count Ranzow Engelhardt stated that the Alpini Commander was at the 17 AOK's HQ when its Commander received the Army Group's orders. Later that Corps (Alpini was burned on the upper/middle Don without any profite)

Second:you said
The western flank advance to the ports on the Kerch straights was conducted by the Romanian Cavalry Corps, with very little German presence
however I did not mention it but
The Western Group organized with the V AK which was to reach and seize the main port of Novorossijsk
and that Corps took Novorossijk.
Kampf um Novorossijsk, das gegen den Angriff des dt. V. Armeekorps (125., 73., 9. Inf.Div.) von der sowj. 77. Schützen- Division und den 14., 142., 83. und 2. Mar.Inf.Brig. unter KAdm. Kholostyakov verteidigt wird. Trotz der Feuerunterstützung der Verteidiger durch den sowj. Flottillenführer Kharkov (Kpt. 2. Rg. Melnikov) und den Zerstörer Soobrazitelny (Kpt. 3. Rg. Vorkov) am 1., 2. und 4.9. dringen dt. Einheiten am 5.9. in die Randgebiete Novorossisks ein, besetzen am 6.9. den Hauptteil der Stadt und erobern am 9.9. das Hafengebiet. Die nach Westen abgedrängten Teile der sowj. Verbände werden über See nach Gelendzhik evakuiert.
Source: http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/42-09.htm

Third: you said
with very little German presence
really? the XXXXII AK carried out Unternehmen Blucher with the 46 ID followed by Romanian 3 ID with the support furnished by 24 MFP der 1. L-Flottille (Kptlt. Giele), Siebelfähren, Pionierlandungs- und -sturmbooten unter dem Schutz der 3. R Flottille (KKpt. Hölzerkopf) und der Luftwaffe. Source: http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/42-09.htm

Four: with regards to the map you scored a goal my friend, I should write the following caption or notice: take this old historical map and update it with the present knowledge. You've a point.

But, nevertheless for this I'm in the forum because we can argue :[] but always with benefits :up: . Cheers. :beer: Tigre.
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Post by sid guttridge »

Hi Tigre,

That was not an attack. It was a correction and clarification of points that might be misleading.

The German XXXXIV Corps crossed from the Crimea after the Romanian Cavalry Corps had already reached the Black Sea. It therefore effectively took place behind Romanian lines. Operation Blucher was more a ferry operation than an invasion. The only German presence with the three divisions of the Romanian Cavalry Corps was a small motorised reconnaissance group.

Cheers,

Sid.
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