Hello Gentlemen,
here is a typical mission impossible.
There were some clashes between coastal fores in the Adriatic Sea in 1944-1945.
During the following ones the Royal Navy claimed the following results:
11-12 Oct. 1944 off Lissa (Vir) Is. six German MFPs sunk.
13-13 Feb. 1945 off Fiume three German MFPs sunk.
6-7 March 1945 Arsa channel (Istria) a merchant ship sunk.
17-18 March 1945 off Caorle a German MFP sunk
12-13 March 1945 Arsa channel two German MFPs and a tug sunk.
9-10 April 1945 Arsa channel four German MFPs sunk; the same night off Caorle three German MFPs sunk.
11-12 April 1945 Istria three German MFPs and two S-boats sunk
11-12 April 1945 off Caorle three German MFPs sunk
12-13 April 1945 off Caorle three German MFPs sunk
16-17 April 1945 off Trieste three German MFPs and five barges sunk
As I was unable to find any German or Italian vessel lost or damged on these dates and places may someone (Peter K. maybe) give me some confirmation or I have to suspect it was all British propaganda Battle of Britain style?
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EC
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Hellp PT
one time is possible, two too, three maybe, but ten!
And to be unable to give the ships sunk a name fifty years after the action is more and more suspect.
I checked the Greoner and I was unable to find a single name or boat. The only hope are the SKL Diaries.
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PS I tried some times to enter in that web site you proposed to me, but the damned procedure repulsed always me.
one time is possible, two too, three maybe, but ten!
And to be unable to give the ships sunk a name fifty years after the action is more and more suspect.
I checked the Greoner and I was unable to find a single name or boat. The only hope are the SKL Diaries.
Bye
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PS I tried some times to enter in that web site you proposed to me, but the damned procedure repulsed always me.
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Hello ENRICO!
A long time ago since my last posting ....
I don´t have too much time right now, but I found the following at the KTB SKL:
11./12.10.1944
3 MFP, 1 motor sailing vessel and 1 I-boat were attacked W of Vir by 8 enemy s-boats. According to Haka Zara all 3 MFP´s were sank, the motor sailing vesssel was beached and only the lonely I-boat reached Privlaka.
One enemy MTB and one MGB was also sunk, possibly one additional MTB. 3 officers and 41 men of the sunken MFP´s reached Zara on 13. or 14.10.1944.
Also in the night 11./12.10.1944 TA40, 2 sub-cashers, steamer PROMETHEUS and G234 were attacked by s-boats between Pola and Triest. There were no one losses, but one enemy s-boats was reported burning, one more possibly sunken. Numerous hits were reported on two additional boats.
Perhaps I will find some more details in the evening - now I have to go sailing!
BTW, perhaps you want to ask your questions also here:
http://www.forum-marinearchiv.de
Greetings from Austria
Peter K.
A long time ago since my last posting ....
I don´t have too much time right now, but I found the following at the KTB SKL:
11./12.10.1944
3 MFP, 1 motor sailing vessel and 1 I-boat were attacked W of Vir by 8 enemy s-boats. According to Haka Zara all 3 MFP´s were sank, the motor sailing vesssel was beached and only the lonely I-boat reached Privlaka.
One enemy MTB and one MGB was also sunk, possibly one additional MTB. 3 officers and 41 men of the sunken MFP´s reached Zara on 13. or 14.10.1944.
Also in the night 11./12.10.1944 TA40, 2 sub-cashers, steamer PROMETHEUS and G234 were attacked by s-boats between Pola and Triest. There were no one losses, but one enemy s-boats was reported burning, one more possibly sunken. Numerous hits were reported on two additional boats.
Perhaps I will find some more details in the evening - now I have to go sailing!
BTW, perhaps you want to ask your questions also here:
http://www.forum-marinearchiv.de
Greetings from Austria
Peter K.
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Royal Navy coastal forces in the Adriatic
Before my father transferred to motor torpedo boats in the "Narrow Seas" campaigns fought in the English Channel and North Sea, he served in (amongst other vessels) Motor Launch 136. I had always thought that M.L.'s were largely confined to protecting the homes base ports and port areas of the Royal Navy, but I have a photo of ML 136 and two others cruising along a shoreline that is bordered by snow capped mountains.
Of course, it could be Scotland but doesn't look like it, and now this thread makes me wonder if M.L.'s ever served in the Adriatic, where, I am sure, parts of the coastline might be bordered with snow capped mountains - is that likely ?.......and might M.L.'s have served in the Adriatic ?
Beershark
Of course, it could be Scotland but doesn't look like it, and now this thread makes me wonder if M.L.'s ever served in the Adriatic, where, I am sure, parts of the coastline might be bordered with snow capped mountains - is that likely ?.......and might M.L.'s have served in the Adriatic ?
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Hello Beershark,
Motor Luches served in the Med. (Adriatic too), in the Far East and wherever there was the necessity of a sound boat with sound sailors.
Ther's the bad habit to consider MTBs only forgetting:
a) MTBs did not spent most of their time running like hell and launching torpedoes, but doing heavy patrols without glory, only fatigue.
b) MTBs are generally smaller than ML, MA/SB, SC, R-Boote ect. and less seaworhty then them. The true hard work of coastal forces (today too, even if quite bigger patrol vessels are the rule nowadays) was made by those unglamorous boats, without torpedoes, able to do, at best, 20 knots and always at sea according the universal rule... they were expendable.
My compliments to your father. The 1944-1945 winter was very harsh and some of the highter hills and mountains in Istria and in the Quarnaro were covered by snow.
Greetings
EC
Motor Luches served in the Med. (Adriatic too), in the Far East and wherever there was the necessity of a sound boat with sound sailors.
Ther's the bad habit to consider MTBs only forgetting:
a) MTBs did not spent most of their time running like hell and launching torpedoes, but doing heavy patrols without glory, only fatigue.
b) MTBs are generally smaller than ML, MA/SB, SC, R-Boote ect. and less seaworhty then them. The true hard work of coastal forces (today too, even if quite bigger patrol vessels are the rule nowadays) was made by those unglamorous boats, without torpedoes, able to do, at best, 20 knots and always at sea according the universal rule... they were expendable.
My compliments to your father. The 1944-1945 winter was very harsh and some of the highter hills and mountains in Istria and in the Quarnaro were covered by snow.
Greetings
EC
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Beershark,
The book " Inshore Heroes" by Granville, Wilfred & Kelly, Robin covers the history of British MLs in all theaters. It is an older book but available at abebooks.com.
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDet ... 0%26x%3D53
The book " Inshore Heroes" by Granville, Wilfred & Kelly, Robin covers the history of British MLs in all theaters. It is an older book but available at abebooks.com.
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDet ... 0%26x%3D53
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ML's in the Adriatic ?
Thank you EC and PTdockyard, your responses were both helpful and informative and I shall certainly follow them up. Is it easy to submit/transmit a photograph to this website ? If so, then I shall forward the photo in question.
Cheers,
Beershark
Cheers,
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