Could RAF have Won the battle of Britain without France ?

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Could RAF have Won the battle of Britain without France ?

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During the battle of France 10 may 25 june 1940
the luftwaffe lost 2000 planes destroyed or heavy damaged.
Without these big casualties
Could Lufwaffe have won aganist RAF during the battle of Britain?

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Post by phylo_roadking »

The answer is a simple "yes".

The RAF lost over 300 of its frontline fighters in France and over Dunkirk. Half of its strength.

The Luftwaffe lost something like 40%?

Scaled up, the RAF would actually have been in a BETTER position!
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Post by Enrico Cernuschi »

The self-consolatory French theory according which their country sacrifice saved demoracy and Britain is a myth for the same most seriuous Transalpine scholars. Just give a look, for example, at Patrick Ehrhardt "France 1940 Les 1000 victories de la chasse Française, mythe ou réalité", Histoire de Guerre N° 31.
As a matter of fact the German Luftwaffe was stronger at the end of the Frencha campaign than before as her previously planned development program had not be compromised by the air fight (less than 400 losses facing more than 2.300 Allied claims of shooting; the Armée de l'Air lose herself, 852 zincs since 10 may 1940 until 9 june 1940 according her official version).
The French balance facing the Italian Regia Aeronautica too was not a brilliant one according the same source, in spite of some heroic journalist effort: 35 planes lost against 29 Italian ones (not considering, of course, 10 further planes Italian made sold to Belgium in 1939 and recovered after the end of that campaing: 6 FIAT CR 42, 3 S. 83 and one DC 3 as an extra).
There were, then, during that short war, 464 sorties by Italian Bombers on French targets with a total of 300 t of bombs dropped against 113 French sorties with less than 809 t of ordnance.

There was something wrong in the French Air Force in 1940, not the men, of course, but the generals.

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Post by Enrico Cernuschi »

Sorry for the typo. it was less than 80 tons, not 809 (The Armée de l'Air had not B 29 or B 32).

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Post by Blackie »

The British would have won.

I wonder, who was due the credit for your numbers, the French or the British air forces in France.
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Post by sid guttridge »

Hi Guys,

One other thing to remember is that experienced aircrew took years to train and were more irreplaceable than aircraft. The Germans got back all the aircrew who survived coming down over France. Therefore a simple accounting of aircraft losses overstates the real damage done to the Luftwaffe in the French Campaign.

How many aircrew did Germany lose permanently over France in 1940?

This should then be set against RAF permanent aircrew losses in the same campaign.

More particularly, the number of permanent fighter pilot losses of the RAF and Luftwaffe would probably give a better picture of which side was most compromised by losses in France before the Battle of Britain, because air supremacy was largely down to the fighter battle.

Cheers,

Sid.
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