After Stalingrad by David M. Glantz

[Annelie]

http://www.amazon.com/AFTER-STALINGRAD- ... pd_sim_b_1

This book also does not have any customer reviews although Mr. Glantz's books are usually well worth.

[Helmut]

Servus,
Does anyone know if this is a new book ora reissue of Glantz's earlier book FROM THE DON TO THE DNEPR?

Thanks in advance for any comments

Regards,

Helmut

[Zoll]

Received an email from Amazon saying it wouldn't be available until some time in December. I see HELION is publishing it, which is interesting and not KANSAS press this time around.

[GaryD]

Servus,
Does anyone know if this is a new book ora reissue of Glantz's earlier book FROM THE DON TO THE DNEPR?

Thanks in advance for any comments

Regards,

Helmut

I hope it's different, I've already ordered it! If it's the same thing I'll be very disappointed. The state of research has advanced a lot since From the Don to the Dnepr was printed. Amazon says it's a "new study" "exploiting newly released Russian archival materials." On the other hand, his book Before Stalingrad was a reprint of an earlier work.

[Kamen Nevenkin]

CONTENTS

List of Maps
List of Figures
Preface

1. Overview 1

PART 1 – SOVIET OFFENSIVE OPERATIONS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE STALINGRAD OFFENSIVE (NOVEMBER 1942-JANUARY 1943)

2. The Kalinin and Western Fronts’ 2nd Rzhev-Sychevka Offensive
(Operation Mars) (25 November-16 December 1942)
3. The Northwestern Front’s Demiansk Offensive
(28 November 1942-6 January 1943)

PART 2 – SOVIET OFFENSIVE OPERATIONS ALONG THE SOUTHWESTERN AXIS (FEBRUARY-MARCH 1943)

4. The Southwestern Front’s Voroshilovgrad (Donbas) Offensive
(Operation Gallop [Skachok]) (29 January-18 February 1943)
5. The Southern Front’s Mariupol’ (Donbas) Offensive
(16-22 February 1943)

PART 3 – SOVIET OFFENSIVE OPERATIONS ALONG THE WESTERN (CENTRAL) AXIS (FEBRUARY-MARCH 1943)

6. The Briansk Front’s Orel Offensive and the Voronezh Front’s
(60th and 38th Armies’) L’gov and Sumy Offensives
(26 January-12 February 1943)
7. The Central, Briansk, and Western Fronts’ Orel, Briansk,
and Smolensk Offensive (15 February-6 March 1943)
8. The Kalinin, Western, Briansk, and Central Fronts’ Orel,
Briansk, and Smolensk Offensive (7-21 March 1943)

PART 4 – SOVIET OFFENSIVE OPERATIONS ALONG THE NORTHWESTERN AXIS (FEBRUARY-MARCH 1943)

9. The Leningrad, Volkhov, and Northwestern Fronts’
Operation Polar Star (Demiansk) (15-28 February)
10. The Leningrad, Volkhov, Northwestern Front’s Truncated
Operation Polar Star (Staraia Russa) (4 March-2 April 1943)

11. Conclusions

Notes

MAPS

1. Soviet counteroffensive at Stalingrad, 19 November 1942-2 February 1943
2. The Soviet Ostrogozhsk-Rossosh’ offensive, 13-27 January 1943
3. The Soviet Voronezh-Kastornoe offensive, 24 January-2 February 1943
4. The Army Group South counteroffensive, 19 February-18 March 1943
5. The Winter Campaign, November 1942-March 1943
6. Operation Mars, The Rzhev-Sychevka operation, 24 November-
December 1942
7. The Sychevka sector, dispositions on 24 November 1942
8. The Belyi sector, planning and dispositions on 24 November 1942
9. The Luchesa River sector, dispositions on 24 November 1942
10. The Molodoi Tud sector, dispositions on 24 November 1942
11. The Sychevka sector, the situation late on 25 November 1942
12. The Sychevka sector, the situation late on 27 November 1942
13. The Sychevka sector, the situation on 28 November 1942
14. The Belyi sector, the situation late on 26 November 1942
15. The Belyi sector, the situation late on 27 November 1942
16. The Belyi sector, the situation late on 28 November 1942
17. The Belyi sector, the situation late on 30 November 1942
18. The Luchesa River sector, the situation from 25-27 November 1942
19. The Luchesa River sector, the situation from 28-30 November 1942
20. The Molodoi Tud sector, the situation late on 25 November 1942
21. The Molodoi Tud sector, the situation late on 27 November 1942
22. The Molodoi Tud sector, the situation late on 29 November 1942
23. The Sychevka sector, the situation from 29 November-1 December 1942
24. The Belyi sector, the situation from 1-6 December 1942
25. The Belyi sector, the situation from 7-10 December 1942
26. The Luchesa River sector, the situation from 1-3 December 1942
27. The Luchesa River sector, the situation from 3-11 December 1942
28. The Molodoi Tud sector, the situation from 30 November-5 December 1942
29. The Sychevka sector, the situation from 2-10 December 1942
30. The Sychevka sector, the situation from 11-14 December 1942
31. The Belyi sector, the situation from 11-16 December 1942
32. The Molodoi Tud sector, the situation from 7-23 December 1942
33. Overview of Operation Mars
34. German operations around the Demiansk salient, 27 September-9 October 1942
35. Army Group North’s situation in the Demiansk region, 1-30 November 1942
36. Army Group North’s situation in the Demiansk region, 1-31 December 1942
37. Stavka strategic offensive planning, 13 December 1942-20 January 1943
38. Stavka strategic offensive planning, 20-26 January 1943
39. The Southwestern Front’s plan for Operation Gallop, 20 January 1943
40. The Donbas operation, the situation on 5 February 1943
41. The Donbas operation, the situation on 9 February 1943
42. The Donbas operation, the situation on 15 February 1943
43. The 8th Cavalry Corps’ advance to Debal’tsevo, 10-13 February 1943
44. The 7th Guards Cavalry Corps’ battle in encirclement, 14-18 February 1943
45. The Stavka’s concept for the Donbas operation, February 1943
46. The Donbas operation, the situation on 20 February 1943
47. The 7th Guards Cavalry Corps’ escape from encirclement,
20-24 February 1943
48. German XXX Army Corps’ situation, 22 February 1943
49. The Donbas operation, the situation on 22 February 1943
50. The Donbas operation, the situation on 25 February 1943
51. The Donbas operation, the situation on 28 February 1943
52. The Donbas operation, the situation on 5 March 1943
53. The 4th Guards Mechanized Corps’ advance to the Mius River,
12-16 February 1943
54. The Southern Front’s assigned objectives on 14 February 1943
55. The Southern Front’s operational plans and objectives, 16 February 1943
56. The 4th Guards Mechanized Corps’ penetration of the main enemy
defensive belt on the Mius River and its combat in encirclement,
17-23 February 1943
57. The Southern Front’s operations and the 4th Mechanized Corps’
exploitation, 18-19 February 1943
58. The 4th Mechanized Corps’ escape from encirclement, 21-24 February 1943
59. The strategic situation on 6 February 1943
60. The Stavka’s overall strategic concept, 6 February 1943
61. The 13th and 48th Armies’ operations, the situation from 6-8 February 1943
62. The 13th and 48th Armies’ operations, the situation from 9-12 February 1943
63. The Soviet strategic offensive plan for the Briansk-Smolensk offensive:
Phase One, 12-17 February 1943
64. The Soviet strategic offensive plan for the Briansk-Smolensk offensive:
Phase Two, 17-25 February 1943
65. The Soviet strategic offensive plan for the Briansk-Smolensk offensive:
Phase Three, 25 February-mid-March 1943
66. The 13th and 48th Armies’ operations, the situation from 12-14 February 1943
67. The 13th and 48th Armies’ operations, the situation from 15-17 February 1943
68. The 13th and 48th Armies’ operations, the situation from 18-20 February 1943
69. The 13th and 48th Armies’ operations, the situation from 21-23 February 1943
70. The strategic situation on 15 February 1943
71. The 16th Army’s (Western Front) operations, the situation on 21 February 1943
72. The 16th Army’s operations, the situation on 23 February 1943
73. The 16th Army’s operations, 25-26 February 1943
74. The 61st and 3rd Armies’ (Briansk Front) operations, the situation
on 21 February 1943
75. The 61st and 3rd Armies’ operations, the situation on 23 February 1943
76. The 61st and 3rd Armies’ operations, the situation from 27 February-
1 March 1943
77. The 13th and 48th Armies’ operations, the situation from 24-26 February 1943
78. The strategic situation on 25 February 1943
79. The Sevsk-Trubchevsk operation, the situation on 24 February 1943
80. The Sevsk-Trubchevsk operation, the situation on 26 February 1943
81. The 13th and 48th Armies’ operations, the situation from 27 February-
1 March 1943
82. The Sevsk-Trubchevsk operation, the situation on 1 March 1943
83. The Sevsk-Trubchevsk operation, the situation on 4 March 1943
84. The strategic situation on 6 March 1943
85. The Stavka’s plan for the Orel operation, 7 March 1943
86. The Rzhev-Viaz’ma offensive [pursuit] operation, 9-31 March 1943
87. The Fourth Army’s situation on 18 March 1943 (the Dorogobuzh and
Spas-Demensk operations)
88. The Fourth Army’s defense (the Spas-Demensk operation), 18 March 1943
89. The Fourth Army’s defense, 25 March 1943 (the Dorogobuzh and
Spas-Demensk operations)
90. The Fourth Army’s situation on 25 March 1943 (the Dorogobuzh and
Spas-Demensk operations)
91. The Orel operation, the situation on 7 March 1943
92. The Orel operation, the situation on 10 March 1943
93. The 13th and 48th Armies’ operations, the situation from 8-10 March 1943
94. The 16th Army’s (Western Front) operations, the situation on 2 March 1943
95. The 16th Army’s (Western Front) operations, the situation on 10 March 1943
96. The 16th Army’s (Western Front) operations, the situation on 19 March 1943
97. The Orel operation, the situation on 12 March 1943
98. The Orel operation, the situation on 14 March 1943
99. The strategic situation on 15 March 1943
100. The Orel operation, the situation on 16 March 1943
101. The Orel operation, the situation on 18 March 1943
102. The Orel operation, the situation on 21 March 1943
103. The Orel operation, the situation from 23-25 March 1943
104. The strategic situation, 21-28 March 1943
105. Army Group North’s situation in the Demiansk sector, 31 January 1943
106. Marshal Zhukov’s plan for Operation “Polar Star”
107. Combat operations at Leningrad from February to December 1943
108. Army Group North’s situation at Leningrad, 10-24 February 1943
109. The Northwestern Front’s operational plan, 14 February 1943
110. Army Group North’s withdrawal from the Demiansk salient,
14 February-6 March 1943
111. The Northwestern Front’s situation, 28 February 1943
112. Army Group North’s situation in the Demiansk sector, 28 February 1943
113. The Northwestern Front’s operations, 7-18 March 1943
114. Army Group North’s withdrawal from the Demiansk salient,
7-18 March 1943
115. Army Group North’s situation at Leningrad, 19 March-5 April 1943
116. Army Group North’s situation at Leningrad, 31 March 1943
117. The Red Army’s winter offensive, 26 January-28 March 1943


FIGURES

1. The 20th Army’s Combat Losses during the Period from 25 November-
18 December 1942
2. The 20th Army’s Combat Strength on 25 November and 11 December 1942
(The Beginning of each Phase of Operation Mars)
3. Reinforcements Dispatched by the Stavka to the Northwestern Front during
January and February 1943
4. The Missions of Red Army Fronts Operating along the Northwestern and
Western Axes
5. Red Army Forces Transferred to the Kursk Region, March 1943
6. Red Army Losses at Demiansk, January 1942-March 1943

[Harry64]

Is there also literature about this subject "after Stalingrad between Don and Donez" from the German side of view?

I know: Horst Scheibert - Panzer zwischen Don und Donez - and other Division histories - but books like these from Glantz?

Harry

[Jason Long]

Unfortunately Glantz doesn't do the Germans very well in his histories. Language difficulties since he's a Soviet specialist.

Jason

[GaryD]

Unfortunately Glantz doesn't do the Germans very well in his histories. Language difficulties since he's a Soviet specialist.

Jason

You think so? My impression was that the German struff was OK, it was the Soviet part which could be improved. Don't get me wrong, compared to most of the people who came before him, he's a great improvement (in substance, if not in style ) but the ex-Soviet archives have yet to be exploited sufficiently. That's the Russian government's fault, not his, but for all of his publishers' touting, he's mainly a master of open-source material. And he's not particuarly up on the latest work coming out of Russia .

I guess the golden grail would be a writer who can speak both German and Russian, and has the time and ability to dig into BOTH archives .

[Jason Long]

Since I can barely transliterate simple words like Fighter Aviation Regiment and Tank Corps, I'm hardly in a position to be current on Russian-language material, but I have heard him complain about lack of access to the archives for the last decade or more because he refused to toe the Russian-nationalist line about the fighting abilities of the Red Army. So, yes, his books are probably not as good as a native Russian historian could do for lack of access, but they are at least relatively objective, something many Russian historians have a problem with.

Looking over the bibliography of his latest book on the operations in Romania I don't see many recent Russian-language sources, but I don't know what's been published recently that's relevant. He may well be staying away from secondary accounts as he seems to be using a combination of archival documents and post-war unit histories.

Jason

[GaryD]

Since I can barely transliterate simple words like Fighter Aviation Regiment and Tank Corps, I'm hardly in a position to be current on Russian-language material, but I have heard him complain about lack of access to the archives for the last decade or more because he refused to toe the Russian-nationalist line about the fighting abilities of the Red Army. So, yes, his books are probably not as good as a native Russian historian could do for lack of access, but they are at least relatively objective, something many Russian historians have a problem with.

Looking over the bibliography of his latest book on the operations in Romania I don't see many recent Russian-language sources, but I don't know what's been published recently that's relevant. He may well be staying away from secondary accounts as he seems to be using a combination of archival documents and post-war unit histories.

Jason

With one or two exceptions even native Russian historians have trouble getting access. I'm not sure that objectivity is any more a problem in post-USSR Russia than anywhere else.

You're right, there's nothing that I know of published in Russia in the past 15 years which deals with operations in Romania, or even that time period. I could have missed something, of course. Judging by the notes, that book does stand out as far as increased references to the Russian military archives go.

[Uncle Joe]

AFAIK a practical requirement to reserach Russian archives is to have:

a) a native Russian assistant

and

b) stacks of money (to "grease" some "cogs")

[Frederick L Clemens]

My impression was that the German struff was OK, it was the Soviet part which could be improved... but the ex-Soviet archives have yet to be exploited sufficiently...I guess the golden grail would be a writer who can speak both German and Russian, and has the time and ability to dig into BOTH archives .

Glantz's book on Kursk has terrible mistakes concerning the German side as do other books for which he was responsible for translation like the Lageberichte. What's frustrating about his German mistakes are that they are very common things. He persists in translating Tigerabteilung as Tiger detachment - good grief!

I like Glantz better now that I have seen him give a few presentations. I think he is open to correction but somewhere in the process of him churning out all that material and his publisher there just isn't any effort made to double-check the German material.

I am wary of phrases like "recently declassified" or "newly available" records. It's all relative. Usually this stuff has long been available it is more a matter of it being translated and published as "new" material.

You can't expect one person to take on both the German and Russian sides and research both archives as well. It's really too much to ask. The important thing is that people focus on a specific topic and do it right without trying to pretend to speak expertly on everything. It would be nice to have a team or institute covering all the bases but the reality is there is not enough money in it to justify it. I have a friend who has worked at such an institute for years and he explained to me that the economics simply aren't there, so they make their money from government contracts on more current stuff.

Worl War 2 history writing is a hobby now just like the American Civil War.

[Harry64]

Thanks guy´s but the question was:
Is there literature about the battles after Stalingrad, winter 42 - spring 43, in the southern eastfront like the one from Glantz but from the german view/archives?
There are many unit histories, but these are with a narrower field of view.

Harry

[Frederick L Clemens]

Up to now, you have had the choice of Carrell or Haupt to read about the post Stalingrad/pre Kursk period.

Obviously, that period is a dead zone for the most part when it comes to comprehensive literature. You might try the Federal German history of WW2. I have not seen their volumes but they are working their way through the war and have covered that period, I believe.

[KG voss]

Glantz's book on Kursk has terrible mistakes concerning the German side as do other books for which he was responsible for translation like the Lageberichte. What's frustrating about his German mistakes are that they are very common things. He persists in translating Tigerabteilung as Tiger detachment - good grief!

Frederick,

You are absolutely right. wait til next Nipe's book about ops on the southern part of Kursk be pubished. Now you'll have something new. I've had contact with M. Nipe and the focus will be a description of the course of the battle from 4 to 18 july with ops of IISS PzKorps the main Thrust of the book. However ops of XXXXVIII PZ-Korps (on SS left) and III Pz-Korps will be extansively covered too. M. Nipe told me he uses the tremendeous amount of available II-SS Pz-Korps record available in conjunction with 4 Pz Armee records.
As a result, Glantz in particular, makes many mistakes in his book in regard to the SS and XXXXVIII.Pz K movements and ops, particularly on 8-9 July, when the battle was really decided in the south, when 4 PzA commander Hoth made a mistake in commitment of SS Panzers that was fatal. But well unfortunately I think we will have to wait til 2010 before getting this gem...