Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:18 am
Dear Krollspell,
For starters, i'm sorry i posted that post in Dutch. Future posts will be in English so "everybody" can understand them.
I'm glad you like the picture of Mooyman, i have several others. Perhaps you have seen the picture of Mooyman standing in front of his canon wearing a white helmet and his RK, it was used for propaganda and several newspapers headlined with it because he was the first non german to recieve the RK. On his canon was the name of his girffriend, RIA as can bee seen in that picture.
Anyway... Onwards to Joop Havik.
I tried to contact the publishers of the info that i linked to but so far no reply. The info i got from their page clearly states that they have a copy of Joop Haviks Birthsertificate.
I aswell wonder about the Hans/Joop story and want to know why most info speaks of a Hans Hsavik and not a Joop Havik. Since the people who investigated Joops RK do have his birthcertificate i can hardley doubt their version. So untill proven otherwise Joop it is. Add to that that they had several conversations with Joops wife. Even if they made a mistake by naming him Joop, woulden't his wife know her husbands first name?
I gave the hans/joop matter some thought and came up with this (possible) answer: Many Dutch poeple were baptised and therefor carry different names. I for one have 3 of them, Jackob Abraham Jacobus but my name is Jacko. This could be the case with hans/joop aswell.
Another option i thought about was, please vets fill me in if i'm wrong, that since Joop is a Dutch name it might have been difficult for germans to prenounce it and maybe therefor they named him hans, which is a pretty commen German name.
Just some thought from my behalf.
As for Haviks nationality. There's the birthcertificate, his wife/widow stating that he had indeed the Dutch nationality and then his family name. Havik is a Dutch name and is only to be found in Holland and Norway. Havik aint a German name and even if it was German it would have been 'Habicht' not Havik.
As for his RK being legit or not:
Joop Havik was a POW before he could recieve his RK. The auther of the publication i get my info from however states that:
"...Officialy, acoarding to the standarts of the German Militärarchiv, his Award does "count"..."
I'm not trying to make this a "is not is to game" all i do is tell you what others found out about Joop Havik and their opinion on the matter based on facts. Since they did the research in this case i can but only believe them untill i see prove or proven wrong. I am trying to get into contact with them to see if we can solve this matter for once and for all
Btw nice picture of Casper Sporck and his Kampfwagen. That is one i haven't seen before.
With regards,
Ichi
p.s. forgive my my poor english. I try my best but euhm well sometimes it proves not to be enough. Sorry for that.
For starters, i'm sorry i posted that post in Dutch. Future posts will be in English so "everybody" can understand them.
I'm glad you like the picture of Mooyman, i have several others. Perhaps you have seen the picture of Mooyman standing in front of his canon wearing a white helmet and his RK, it was used for propaganda and several newspapers headlined with it because he was the first non german to recieve the RK. On his canon was the name of his girffriend, RIA as can bee seen in that picture.
Anyway... Onwards to Joop Havik.
I tried to contact the publishers of the info that i linked to but so far no reply. The info i got from their page clearly states that they have a copy of Joop Haviks Birthsertificate.
I aswell wonder about the Hans/Joop story and want to know why most info speaks of a Hans Hsavik and not a Joop Havik. Since the people who investigated Joops RK do have his birthcertificate i can hardley doubt their version. So untill proven otherwise Joop it is. Add to that that they had several conversations with Joops wife. Even if they made a mistake by naming him Joop, woulden't his wife know her husbands first name?
I gave the hans/joop matter some thought and came up with this (possible) answer: Many Dutch poeple were baptised and therefor carry different names. I for one have 3 of them, Jackob Abraham Jacobus but my name is Jacko. This could be the case with hans/joop aswell.
Another option i thought about was, please vets fill me in if i'm wrong, that since Joop is a Dutch name it might have been difficult for germans to prenounce it and maybe therefor they named him hans, which is a pretty commen German name.
Just some thought from my behalf.
As for Haviks nationality. There's the birthcertificate, his wife/widow stating that he had indeed the Dutch nationality and then his family name. Havik is a Dutch name and is only to be found in Holland and Norway. Havik aint a German name and even if it was German it would have been 'Habicht' not Havik.
As for his RK being legit or not:
Joop Havik was a POW before he could recieve his RK. The auther of the publication i get my info from however states that:
"...Officialy, acoarding to the standarts of the German Militärarchiv, his Award does "count"..."
I'm not trying to make this a "is not is to game" all i do is tell you what others found out about Joop Havik and their opinion on the matter based on facts. Since they did the research in this case i can but only believe them untill i see prove or proven wrong. I am trying to get into contact with them to see if we can solve this matter for once and for all
Btw nice picture of Casper Sporck and his Kampfwagen. That is one i haven't seen before.
With regards,
Ichi
p.s. forgive my my poor english. I try my best but euhm well sometimes it proves not to be enough. Sorry for that.