Downgraded KC's to GC's??

Nibelung · Post by **Nibelung** » Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:55 am

Thanks, i'll also look into it...

best,
Nibelung

OMK · Post by **OMK** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 7:55 am

Hi all,

Agree that it must have been a disapointment for someone to be told that a recomendation for a RK had been downgraded. But that is the recomendation, does anyone know of a case where the recomendation was downgraded to a DK, but on scrutiny upgraded to an RK again?

As to von Lucks feeling, it seems clear that he was disapointed as he later in the book states that he only wore his DK if he was being inspected/higher staff officers were present. Does anyone know if that was a general feeling amongst field soldiers towards the DK?

Sincerely
OMK

Kameraden · Post by **Kameraden** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:28 am

Have to be honest and say Lucks opinion is the first i have seen of this and the GC was quite a prestigious Award.

Seems to have been worn proudly by many a Wearer and Cloth Substitutes made so the original Award was not Damaged.
Also a Danazified Version made after the War for Bundeswehr use?
Why bother with these last 2 things unless you liked the Award??

Of course after the War having a Medal with a Massive Swastika on it must seem inappropriate so why not Belittle it in your Memoirs.

Nibelung · Post by **Nibelung** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:51 am

Are the EK2 & EK1 or the RK still legal decorations in the Bundeswehr?

best,
Nibelung

Kameraden · Post by **Kameraden** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:08 am

Yes

They all have been Denazified and can be worn.

You can see them here.

http://www.thirdreichmedals.com/iron.html

Look at 1957 Iron Crosses

Nibelung · Post by **Nibelung** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:26 am

I see I didn't start the question right, what i ment was; are the EK1, EK2 and the Rk still decorations for bravery in the Bundeswehr?? I didn't mean the decorations for sale.

best,
Nibelung

Kameraden · Post by **Kameraden** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:45 am

I did'nt mean for sale'but that they can be legally still worn.
I just used that site to show the pictures.

As far as i am aware apart from Afghanistan'German Troops have not fought in Combat since WW2.So the Iron Cross has never been a Winnable Decoration since 1945.

Nibelung · Post by **Nibelung** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:48 am

Yes I know, but are they still a decoration which can be won by a soldier if there would be war?

best,
Nibelung

Kameraden · Post by **Kameraden** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:54 am

Kameraden wrote:So the Iron Cross has never been a Winnable Decoration since 1945.

As i said earlier.

However if Germany ever enters into a Major Conflict in the Future then it may be introduced again as in previous Wars.

Nibelung · Post by **Nibelung** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:57 am

Isn't that a bit unfair since that decoration is from 1813 and has a veeeery long tradition in comparison with other military decorations?

best,
nibelung

Kameraden · Post by **Kameraden** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:02 am

Thats been the Germans Choice since 1813.
The Iron Cross was always suspended between the Wars.
Thats why WW1 Iron crosses have 1914 on them and WW2 1939 as the begining of the relevant conflicts they are for.

Nibelung · Post by **Nibelung** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:10 am

Thats why WW1 Iron crosses have 1914 on them and WW2 1939 as the begining of the relevant conflicts they are for.

I though that the number was the year of production (like 1941

).

best,
Nibelung

Kameraden · Post by **Kameraden** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:50 am

No.

The Year the Conflict started.
Thats why all WW1 Iron Crosses say 1914 and WW2 ones say 1939.

You can see more here.

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-med ... _cross.htm

Nibelung · Post by **Nibelung** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:16 am

Thank you for your enlightening link.

best,
Nibelund

Kameraden · Post by **Kameraden** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:05 am

Kameraden wrote:Is there any Truth that all recommendations for KC's were downgraded to GC's when the GC was first introduced?

So back to my original question above?
Did this happen?

Feldgrau.net

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