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More about the 11th Panzer Division, please...

Post by Paul_9686 » Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:38 pm

...for example, what was its "hometown", or its home area in Germany? And about its combat at Kursk: I believe I've read somewhere that Panzer Regiment 15 consisted of a second and a third battalion in July 1943--its first battalion was used to form Panzer Abteilung 52, one of the first two Panther-equipped outfits. So, when the 52nd was returned to the 11th to once more become I/Pz. Rgt. 15, what happened to the third battalion? Was it folded into the second battalion?

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11.Pz.Div.

Post by David Constable » Sun Jan 11, 2004 3:22 am

Hope the following helps.

11.Pz.Div.
[Nicknamed Gespenster-Division from its insignia, a sword wielding ghost.]
Commanded by:
von Hartlieb gennant Walsporn(Maximilian)(Gen.d.Pz.Tr.) in May 1940.
Crüwell(Ludwig)(Gen.Maj/Gen.d.Pz.Tr.) from June 1941 to ? May 1942 ?.
Balck(Hermann)(Gen.d.Pz.Tr.) in June 1942 and 1943.
Command given to form 11.Pz.Div. at Neuhammer on 1st August 1940 from 11.Schtz.Brig.(mot.) with Pz.Rgt.15 of the 5.Pz.Div..
Home station was Görlitz in WK.VIII.
Pz.Rgt.15 [I and II.Abt] [from 4th September 1940]
11.Schtz.Brig.
Schtz.Rgt.110
Schtz.Rgt.111
Kradschtz.Btl.61
Art.Rgt.(mot.) 119
I and II Abt [le.Art.Abt.(mot.)]
III Abt [s.Art.Abt.(mot.)]
Pz.Aufkl.Abt.231
Pz.Pi.Btl.209
Nachr.Abt.(mot.) 341
Div.Einheiten 61
September 1940 [4th]
Pz.Rgt.15 added. [I and II.Abt]
? September 1940 [4th] ?
I./Schtz.Rgt.111 formed from I./Inf.Rgt.103 of 4.Inf.Div.
11.Schtz.Brig.
Schtz.Rgt.110
Schtz.Rgt.111
Kradschtz.Btl.61
Art.Rgt.(mot.) 119
I and II Abt [le.Art.Abt.(mot.)]
III Abt [s.Art.Abt.(mot.)]
Pz.Aufkl.Abt.231
Pz.Jg.Abt.61
Pz.Pi.Btl.209
Nachr.Abt.(mot.) 341
Div.Einheiten 61
October 1940 [15th]
Ready for service.
February 1941
Romania.
March 1941
Bulgaria.
April 1941 [6th]
[12.Armee]
Had a Luftwaffe unit attached [type unknown].
April 1941 [6th]
Pz.Rgt.15 [I and II.Abt, each one m.Kp. and two le.Kp.]
May to June 1941
Refurbished in Wein.
June 1941 [22nd]
44 Pz.II, 24 Pz.III(3,7cm), 47 Pz.III(kz), 20 Pz.IV(kz), 8 Pz.Bef.
June 1941 [22nd]
[H.Gr.Süd, 6.Armee, Pz.Gruppe 1, XXXXVIII.Armeekorps (mot.)]
Pz.Rgt.15
11.Schtz.Brig.
Schtz.Rgt.110
Schtz.Rgt.111
Kradschtz.Btl.61
Art.Rgt.(mot.) 119
I and II Abt [le.Art.Abt.(mot.)]
III Abt [s.Art.Abt.(mot.)]
Beob.Battr.334
Pz.Aufkl.Abt.231
Pz.Jg.Abt.61 [1./Fla.Btl.(Sfl.) 608 attached]
Pz.Pi.Btl.209
Nachr.Abt.(mot.) 341
Versorgungstruppen 61
September 1941 [4th]
[6.Armee]
Out of its initial strength of 175 tanks, 60 were available, 75 were in maintenance and 40 were a total loss.
April 1942
Ordered to leave eastern front for France for a refit. Left all their tanks, heavy guns and equipment behind as it was badly needed by the Panzer Divisions that remained.
May 1942
[? H.Gr.Süd ?]
June 1942 [19th]
II./Pz.Rgt.35 renamed III./Pz.Rgt.15.
June 1942 [24th]
H.Flak-Art.Abt.(mot.) 277 became IV./ Pz.Art.Rgt.119.
June 1942 [28th]
Pz.Rgt.15 [Rgt HQu, I, II and III Abt]
11.Schtz.Brig.
Schtz.Rgt.110
Schtz.Rgt.111
Pz.Art.Rgt.119
I and II Abt [le.Art.Abt.(mot.)]
III Abt [gem.Art.Abt.(mot.)]
IV Abt [Flak]
Kradschtz.Btl.61
Pz.Jg.Abt.61 [1./Fla.Btl.(Sfl.) 608 attached]
Pz.Pi.Btl.209 [Brüko.(K)(mot.) 209]
Pz.Div.Nachr.Abt.341
Div.Versorgungstruppen 61
July 1942 [5th]
Schtz.Rgt.110 and Schtz.Rgt.111 became Pz.Gren.Rgt.110 and Pz.Gren.Rgt.111.
July 1942
Division HQ [2 LMG]
61st mot mapping section
Pz.Rgt.15
Rgt HQ
Signals section
Armoured reconaissance section
Regimental band
I, II and III Abt each:
Armoured Stab Kp
Two light Pz Kp
Medium Pz Kp
11.Pz.Gren.Brig.
Pz.Gren.Rgt.110
HQ Kp
Signals platoon
AT Platoon [3 5cm Pak38, 3 LMG]
Motorcycle section [6 LMG]
Two mot inf Btl each:
HT inf Kp [3 5cm Pak38, 34 LMG, 4 HMG, 2 80mm mortar and 3 AT rifle]
Mot inf Kp [10 LMG, 4 HMG, 2 80mm mortar and 3 AT rifle]
Mot inf support Kp with HT engineer platoon [5 LMG], HT AT platoon [3 5cm Pak38, 8 LMG, 3 2,8cm sPzB41], two infantry support gun sections [2 7,5cm leIG]
Mot inf support section [4 15cm sIG {mot}]
3./Fla.Btl.(Sfl.) 31 [12 20mm FlaK guns, 4 LMG]
Pz.Gren.Rgt.111
HQ Kp
Signals platoon
AT Platoon [3 5cm Pak38, 3 LMG]
Motorcycle section [6 LMG]
Two mot inf Btl each:
Three mot inf Kp [10 LMG, 4 HMG, 2 80mm mortar and 3 AT rifle]
Mot inf support Kp with mot engineer platoon [4 LMG], mot AT platoon [3 5cm Pak38, 6 LMG, 3 2,8cm sPzB41], two infantry support gun sections [2 7,5cm leIG]
Mot inf support section [4 15cm sIG {mot}]
2./Fla.Btl.(Sfl.) 59 [12 20mm FlaK guns, 4 LMG]
Pz.Art.Rgt.119
Mot Rgt HQ [2 LMG]
Mot observation Kp
Two mot art Abt [each]
Mot Abt HQ [2 LMG]
Light munition supply column
Three Battr [each 3 10,5cm leFH, 2 LMG]
Mot art Abt
Mot Abt HQ [2 LMG]
Two Battr [each 3 15cm sFH, 2 LMG]
One Battr [each 3 s.10cm K18, 2 LMG]
Pz.Jg.Abt.61
HQ section [2 LMG]
Fla.Kp.(Sfl.) 608
Two mot AT Kp [9 5cm Pak38, 6 LMG]
Motorcycle Lehr Btl
Armoured car Kp
Kettenrad Kp
Schtz Kp
Heavy support Kp
Volkswagen Kp
Kradschtz.Btl.61
Heavy AC Kp [18 3,7cm, 24 LMG]
Two M/C Kp [each 2 80mm mortars, 4 HMG, 18 LMG, 3 AT rifle]
Mot support KP
Engineer platoon [4 LMG]
AT platoon [3 5cm Pak38, 3 LMG]
AT platoon [3 2,8cm sPzB41, 3 LMG]
Inf support gun section [2 7,5cm leIG]
Armoured car supply column [3 LMG] [? source says armoured car, should this be just armoured ?]
Pi.Btl.(mot.) 209
HT Pi Kp [23 LMG, 3 AT rifle]
Two mot PI Kp [each 18 LMG, 3 AT rifle]
Mot bridging train [Brückengerät K, 3 LMG]
Light mot engineering supply column [2 LMG]
Pz.Nachr.Abt.89
Armoured radio Kp [16 LMG]
Armoured telephone Kp [6 LMG]
Light mot signals supply column
Div.Einheiten 61
1st to 9th light mot supply columns [2 LMG]
10th to 12th heavy POL supply columns [2 LMG]
13th to 14th heavy mot supply columns [2 LMG]
61st light mot supply Kp [2 LMG]
1./, 2./, 3./61st mot maintenance Kp’s
61st Food services
61st mot divisional quartermaster platoon
61st mot butchery Kp
61st mot bakery Kp
Medical
1./, 2./61st mot medical Kp’s [2 LMG]
1./, 2./, 3./61st ambulance columns
Others
61st mot military police platoon [2 LMG]
61st mot field post office
1943
Cited three times.for distinguished action.
1943
III./Pz.Rgt.15 formed from II./Pz.Rgt.35 of 4.Pz.Div.
1943
Pz.Rgt.15
Pz.Gren.Rgt.110
Pz.Gren.Rgt.111
Pz.Art.Rgt.119
Kradschtz.Btl.61
Pz.Aufkl.Abt.231
Pz.Jg.Abt.231
Pz.Pi.Btl.231
Pz.Nachr.Abt.341
January 1943
Destroyed at Stalingrad.
January 1943[29th]
[H.Gr.Don]
Operational - 3 Pz.II, 3 Pz.III(kz), 24 Pz.III(lg), 1 Pz.IV(kz), 2 Pz.IV(lg), 4 Pz-Bef.
Repair:
Short term, ? Pz.II, 6 Pz.III(kz), 25 Pz.III(lg), 1 Pz.IV(kz), 10 Pz.IV(lg), 4 Pz-Bef.
Long term, 6 Pz.II, 6 Pz.III(kz), ? 18 ? Pz.III(lg), 4 Pz.III(7,5cm), 1 Pz.IV(kz), 5 Pz.IV(lg).
February 1943 [6th]
I./Pz.Rgt.15 became H.Pz.Abt.(Panther) 52.

April 1943 [20th]
IV./Pz.Art.Rgt.119 became H.Flak-Art.Abt.(mot.) 277.
April 1943 [29th]
Merged Aufkl.Abt.231 and Kradschtz.Btl.61 became Pz.Aufkl.Abt.11.
June 1943
ArtRgt expanded to three Abt.
Pz.Rgt.15 [II and III Abt]
Pz.Gren.Rgt.110
Pz.Gren.Rgt.111 [I and II Abt]
Pz.Art.Rgt.119
I, II and III Abt
Pz.Aufkl.Abt.11
Pz.Jg.Abt.61
Pz.Pi.Btl.209
Nachr.Abt.89
Div.Einheiten 61
H.Flak-Art.Abt.(mot.) 277
???
Pz.Rgt.15 [II and III Abt]
Pz.Gren.Rgt.110 [I and II Abt]
Pz.Gren.Rgt.111 [I and II Abt]
Pz.Art.Rgt.119
I, II and III Abt
Pz.Aufkl.Abt.11
Pz.Jg.Abt.90
Pz.Pi.Btl.209
Pz.Nachr.Abt.89
Div.Einheiten 61
H.Flak-Art.Abt.(mot.) 277
July 1943 [1st]
8 Pz.II, 11 Pz.III(kz), 51 Pz.III(lg), 1 Pz.IV(kz), 25 Pz.IV(lg), 13 Pz.III(Fl), 4 Pz-Bef.
July 1943
Fought at Kursk.
July 1943 [5th]
[74 tanks]
August 1943 [11th]
III./Inf.Rgt.869 of 356.Inf.Div. detached to reinforce the PzGren’s [was it then disbanded or replaced in 356.Inf.Div.].
August 1943 [24th]
H.Pz.Abt.(Panther) 52 renamed I./Pz.Rgt.15. [? 2nd Abt ?]

August 1943 [31st]
I./Pz.Rgt.15 had 60 Panther Ausf.D [15 operational].
September 1943 [24th]
III./Pz.Rgt.15 renamed I./Pz.Rgt.35.

September 1943
Pz.Rgt.15 [I Abt four Kp of Pz.IV, II Abt with Panther]
September 1943
Pz.Rgt.15 [Stab, I Abt four Kp Pz.IV, II Abt refitting with Panther in Heimat]
Pz.Gren.Rgt.(gep.) 110 [I Abt SPW, II Abt mot]
Pz.Gren.Rgt.(mot.) 111
Pz.Art.Rgt.119
Pz.Beob.Battr.119
Pz.Aufkl.Abt.11 [Stab, one le.Pz.Späh.Kp., two Kradschtz.Kp., one s.Kp., one Kol.]
Pz.Jg.Abt.61
Pz.Pi.Btl.209
Pz.Nachr.Abt.89
Felders.Btl.61 [five Kp]
Div.Einheiten 61
H.Flak-Art.Abt.(mot.) 277
October 1943 [7th]
II./Pz.Rgt.15 expanded to four m.Kp. by adding an 8th Kp.
January 1944 [5th]
[8.Armee, XXXXVII.Pz.Korps]
Pz.Rgt.15 [circa 30 tanks]
Pz.Gren.Rgt.110
Pz.Gren.Rgt.111
Pz.Art.Rgt.119
Pz.Aufkl.Abt.11
February 1944
Heavy losses in Korsun encirclement south of Kiyev.
Absorbed remnants of Gren.Rgt.416 of 123.Inf.Div.
May to June 1944
Reformed with personnel and equipment from 273.Res.Pz.Div. at Bordeaux in the south of France.
Division Kdo [from Division Kdo 273.Res.Pz.Div.]
Pz.Rgt.15 [from Res.Pz.Abt.25 and Res.Pz.Abt.35, 273.Res.Pz.Div.]
Pz.Gren.Rgt.110 [from Res.Pz.Gren.Rgt.92, 273.Res.Pz.Div.]
Pz.Gren.Rgt.111 [from Res.Pz.Gren.Rgt.(mot.) 73, 273.Res.Pz.Div.]
Pz.Art.Rgt.119 [III Abt from Res.Art.Abt.167, 273.Res.Pz.Div.]
III Abt
Pz.Aufkl.Abt.11 [from Res.Pz.Aufkl.Abt.7, 273.Res.Pz.Div.]
Pz.Pi.Btl.209
Nachr.Abt.89
Div.Einheiten 61
H.Flak-Art.Abt.(mot.) 277
June 1944 [early]
[H.Gr.G, 1.Armee reserve]
Refitting.
September 1944 [2nd]
II./Pz.Rgt.15 sent to Sagan to be rebuilt.
September 1944
Pz.Abt.2111 disbanded and incorporated into Pz.Rgt.15.
September 1944 [23rd]
Refitting at Belfort.
Incorporated Pz.Brig.113 [It comprised a PzGrenRgt and Pz.Abt.2113.
November 1944 [8th]
Pz.Gren.Rgt.110
Pz.Gren.Rgt.111
December 1944 [16th]
[39 Pz.IV, 56 Panther, 19 JgPz.IV, 3500 men of whom only 800 were infantry]
???
Reinforced.
March 1945
[4000 men, 25 tanks, 18 artillery pieces, still one of the strongest Pz Division on the western front]
March 1945
Remnants fought at Remagen bridgehead.
March 1945 [15th]
[H.Gr.B]
Equipment in PzRgt and PzJgAbt: 6 StuG [2 operational], 17 Pz.IV(lg) [4 operational], 11 Flakpz [4 operational], 33 Panther [14 operational].
April 1945
Considered destroyed.
May 1945 [4th]
Surrendered to American 3rd Army at Furth im Wald in Bayerischer Wald.
Pz.Rgt.15 [I, II and III Abt]
Pz.Gren.Rgt.110 [I and II Abt]
Pz.Gren.Rgt.111 [I and II Abt]
Pz.Art.Rgt.119
I, II and III Abt
Pz.Aufkl.Abt.11
Pz.Jg.Abt.61
Pz.Pi.Btl.209
Nachr.Abt.89
H.Flak-Art.Abt.(mot.) 277

Hope you can understand it, have problems putting in from word.
If you want it as original let me know your email address and I will send it.

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Post by Jerry » Sun Jan 11, 2004 6:57 am

II/Pz.Rgt.35 was renamed III/Pz.Rgt.15 on June 19, 1942. I/Pz.Rgt.15 was renamed Pz.Abt.52 on February 6, 1943. Pz.Abt.52 was renamed I/Pz.Rgt.15 on August 24, 1943. III/Pz.Rgt.15 was renamed I/Pz.Rgt.35 on September 24, 1943.

So yes, Pz.Rgt.15 operated at Kursk with a II & III Bn, and yes on paper it did have 3 Bn. from June '42 until Feburary '43 and for a month in August and September ’43.

FWIW commanders of 11 Pz.Div. were:

08/01/1940 – Ludwig Crüwell
08/15/1941 – Günther Angern
08/24/1941 – Hans Karl Freiherr von Esebeck
10/20/1941 – Walter Scheller
05/16/1942 – Hermann Balck
03/05/1943 – Dietrich von Choltitz
05/15/1943 – Johann Mickl
08/10/1943 – Wend von Wietersheim
02/25/1944 – Friedrich von Hake
05/04/1944 – Wend von Wietersheim
01/01/1945 – Horst Freiherr Treusch von Buttlar-Brandenfels
02/05/1945 – Wend von Wietersheim

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Post by Abel Ravasz » Sun Jan 11, 2004 12:13 pm

January 1943
Destroyed at Stalingrad.
The division didn't fight at Stalingrad, only near to it, and it definitely wasn't destroyed there.

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Post by Paul_9686 » Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:02 am

That's right, Abel; the attempt to relieve Stalingrad was in fact one of the 11th's best campaigns. Its victory at State Farm 79 is a classic cut-and-thrust panzer battle.

Many thanks, friends!

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About Görlitz...

Post by Paul_9686 » Tue Jan 13, 2004 5:01 pm

...I see this town is right on the Polish border today, having looked it up in my Encarta Virtual Globe, but in pre-WWII Germany, was Görlitz considered to be in Lower Silesia, or Lower Saxony?

Thanks in advance.

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:32 am

Görlitz is in Niederschlesien - Lower Silesia :wink:

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11th Pz Div. - State Farm 79 / Hill 161 December 9-12, 1942

Post by Russ Schulke » Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:52 am

11th Panzer Division - State Farm 79 and Hill 161 December 9-12, 1942

Photo-album from German Anti-tank NCO 110th Panzergrenadier Regiment (11th Panzer Division) Defensive fighting outside the Stalingrad pocket and counterattack and near State Farm 79 and Hill 161 December 9-12, 1942 . Note: the knock-out British Lend-Lease Matilda tanks.

http://www.fireonthevolga.com/Photo-albums.html
(2ND set photos from bottom)

All pictures are from my personal unpublished estates and are shown at 25% original quality and size.

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NOTES ON THE SURRENDER OF THE 11TH GERMAN PANZER DIVISION

Post by infantryscout » Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:46 am

From the G-2 Interrogation reports of the US 90 Infantry Division in the US National Archives

RESTRICTED
Annex #1 to Per Rpt No. 324

NOTES ON THE SURRENDER OF THE 11TH GERMAN PANZER DIVISION

1. Activities of Ger. General Von BUTTLAR; According to interrogation of Gen Von WEITERSHEIM(sic), Div as Asst CG. always been assigned CG of the 11th Pz Div was to take over a German Corps effective 8 April 45, and turn over his command to Gen von BUTTLAR, who had until then been attached to the division. He had had until then no experience in leading troops, having to the OKW (Army Hq) previously. Gen von WEITERSHEIM(sic) refused to take command of the Corps, officially due to "ill health" and remained with the Medical Bn cf the Division while Gen von BUTTLAR was commanding. In order, however, to make a surrender possible Gen von WEITERSHEIM resumed command 1 May 45. He informed Gen von BUTTLAR of the fact by telling him to move the Division towards PASSAU, and to take over the advance elements consisting of the reformed 111 Regt,. the 6th Btry of the Arty Regt, and one Pioneer Co. They pro-ceeded under BUTTLAR' s command to the Vic WALLERN, where they were to await fürther Orders. While BUTTLAR was on his way, the discussions concerning the surrender went into full swing. Upon the return of Major VOIGTMAN, G-4, who was the chief negotiator, a radio message was sent to BUTTLAR to return for important Instructions. Taking advantage of BUTTLAR's absence from his forward command, Lt Col GREWS,(DREWS) the G-3, set out to disengage the 111 Regt and attached units and bring them back to the place of surrender. Here a difficulty arose. BUTTLAR had, without anyone's knowledge, ordered limited attack, and Lt Gol GREW was unable to disengage the Regt within the the asked for in the terms for surrender. He was able to secure only the Regt Service Co, which afterwards actually surrendered with the rest of the Division. In the meantime, BUTTLAR - he had just received his first decoration, an Iron Cross 2nd Class - was driving to the former CP - only to find no one there. Only from various stray officers, he was able to find out what had happened, Gen von WEITERSHEIM having already left an hour ahead of the others to surrender according to terms. BUTTLAR flew into a rage, and tried by every means at his disposal to stop all units he could contact from surrendering. He stopped the column of the enlisted Div Staff, who, however, told him they had direct Orders, which could not be changed. (The men of the Div Staff stated that they knew exactly what BUTTLAR wanted, and did not fall for it) Nevertheless BUTTLAR secured 6 MP'S to help him. Shortly thereafter he met the G-2 Coming down the road. The General asked him what was going on, and was so dissatisfied with the answer that he spat into the G-2's face. It seems that only his unpopularity made it possible for all units to surrender to us, naturally exeluding the 111 Regt and attachments. (Strength was Approx 400-500 men commanded by a captain, the former Col and most of the Regt having been captured in the RUHR.)

Tactics Used to Keep Division in Fighting Shape; The main method used to prevent complete destruction of the Division was the genius of the Div G-4, Major VOIGTMAN, primarily by keeping all supply elements far enough to the rear and always succeeding in withdrawing them in time. The same went for the positions of the CPs. Secondly, the 11 Pz Div has always had top-priority in replacements, and has, in spite of the temptation, steadfastly refused to take any but young healthy, trained men. Observation of the Div Staff at work proves that theory. All staff members are young and seem efficient. The General's first concem is his men, and his men know that. That is the reason that no one disobeyed when the order came to surrender, most men knowing nothing about it until they saw the first American. The enlisted men stated that they would have felt slighted in the case of any other CG if he had surrendered them without Consulting them, but they felt confident that von WEITERSHEIM(sic) acted only in their interest.

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11th Panzer Division

Post by coprolite » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:00 am

When the 11th PAnzer Division were transferred to Bordeaux in April 1944 [b]how did they arrive [/b]- by boat? From where?

[b]Where exactly in the Bordeaux area [/b]were they based.

When they went to Toulouse [b]did they go by rail or by road[/b] - similarly to the Rhone?

Anyone out there able to shed any light?

Many thanks

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Post by Jerry » Sat Jun 09, 2007 2:59 pm

Hello Bernard,

According to Die Deutschen Divisionen 1939-1945, band 3, the 11 Pz.Div. was transported from Kishinev, Moldova by train and began arriving in the Bordeaux area on May 12, 1944 (does not say exactly what area of Bordeaux). When they moved to the Toulouse area beginning on July 23 they moved by road march and continued in mid August to Avignion and then up the Rhone valley by road.

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11. Pz Div Southfrance

Post by uli M » Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:04 pm

I have this:
April - May 44 leaving Kischinew (russia), rail transport to Bordeaux area
Bordeaux - Toulouse rail transport 27 July - 13 August, then road march to
Avignon 18 August , crossing the Rhône at Pont-Saint-Esprit the 18th august by ferries.

22 August armored recon battalion, the first element of the 11th Panzer Division arrived at Montelimar.

Montélimar area 22-26 august 1944.

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11th Panzer Division in Bordeaux, Toulouse.

Post by coprolite » Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:21 am

the detailed response is appreciated. THANKS.

Exactly where they were stationed in Bordeaux and Toulouse would be of interst. Could it have been on an airfield?

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Post by uli M » Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:04 am

Hello Bernard.

I found this hint:

Libourne

http://www.lexpress.fr/info/region/doss ... ida=451622

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Post by coprolite » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:16 pm

Tres interessant! Merci beaucoup. I'll try to translate it.

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