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Orbats - OB South + South-East - July 1943

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Looking for Orbats of GenFM Kesselring's "Oberbefehlshaber South" and Generaloberst Lohr's "Oberbefehlshaber Southeast" - as close as possible to 09 July 1943.
Any assistance would be greatly welcome :D

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Gliederung 7.7.1943:

Heeresgruppe Süd
direct: 24.rum.

- A.O.K.6 (direct: Masse 16.Pz.Gren.)
-- XXIX.A.K.: Gruppe Recknagel ((Stab 111.) Tle. 16.Pz.Gren., Kpf.Kdt.Taganrog, 111.), 15.Lw.F., 17., 336.
-- XVII.A.K.: 294., 306., 302.
-- Korps Mieth (IV.): 304., 3.Geb., 335.

- 1.Pz.A.O.K. (direct: XXIV.Pz.K., 23.Pz., 17.Pz., SS-W)
-- XXX.A.K.: 62., 38., 387.
-- XXXX.Pz.K.: 333., 46., 257.
-- LVII.Pz.: 15., 198., 328.

- Armee-Abt.Kempf:
-- XXXXII.A.K.: 161., 39., 282.
-- Gen.Kdo.z.b.V.Raus (XI.): 320., 106.
-- III.Pz.K.: 7.Pz., 19.Pz., 6.Pz., 168.

- 4.Pz.A.O.K.
-- II.SS-Pz.K.: SS-T, SS-R, SS-AH, 1/3 167.
-- XXXXVIII.Pz.K.: 2/3 167., 11.Pz., Gr.D., 3.Pz.
-- LII.A.K.: 332., 255., 57.

- Bef.H.G.Süd: 213.Sich., 454.Sich., 444.Sich.(Stb.)

Heeresgruppe E (Südost)
Sturm-Div.Rhodos (i.Aufst.)

- Befh.d.dt.Tr.i.Kroatien: 100.Jg. (i.Aufst.), 114.Jg., 118.Jg., SS-PE, 369.kroat., 373.kroat., 187.Res.

- Komm.Gen.u.Befh.i.Serbien: 297. (i.Aufst.), 7.bulg., 21.bulg., 9.bulg.

- Befh.Saloniki-Ägäis: 1.Geb.

- Befh.Süd-Griechenland: 11.Lw.F., 104.Jg.

- LXVIII.: 1.Pz., 117.Jg.

- Kdt.d.Fest.Kreta: Fest.Brig.Kreta, 22., ital.Sienna

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Greetings Christoph -
Many thanks for the info on Heeresgruppe "E" (OB Southeast). The other Orbat I'm looking for is OB (not Heeresgruppe) South. Under GenFM (Lw) Kesselring this would later include Heeresgruppe "C" in Italy.
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OB Süd (Commando Supremo)

- XIV.Pz.K.: Pz.Div."H.G.", 16.Pz., 29.Pz.Gren., SS-Stu.Brig., 15.Pz.Gren. (i.Aufst.), 90.Pz.Gren. (i.Aufst.), 3.Pz.Gren. (i.Aufst.)

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Christoph (Down Under) -
Thanks a million - just what I was looking for! If this "Canuck" couldn't find the info I should have known an "Aussie" could :D !!
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Christoph -
Sorry about that! - Didn't have my reading glasses on!! Big difference between "Austria" and "Australia" what!!
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Servus!

Pardon me for being stupid but what are ORBATS?

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Greetings Helmut -
ORBATS is a slang term for Orders of Battle. Sorry about that - in future I'll stick to "Gliederung" as I believe this is the proper term?
Please correct me if I'm wrong - thanks much -
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Post by Helmut »

Thanks Shadow.
I just had never come across that term before. I'll just store that in my memory under nice to know things. Actually GLIEDERUNG is what the US Army would call an MTOE, modified table of organization and equipment. That is the document which outlines all authorized personnel and equipment for a specific unit.

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Helmut -
"Gliederung" = M.T.O.E.
Thanks for the clarification - learn something new every day :D
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Geez, and I thought ORBATS was a US Army term! (I was a sailor). I've known them as O/Bs and I think OOB is a Brit term. But of course we all know that they all equate to the lovely German term "schematische Kriegsgliederung". Happy hunting, kamaraden!
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