Deutsche Militärmission in Rumänien, 1940

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Deutsche Militärmission in Rumänien, 1940

Post by CNE_EMB » Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:25 am

Hello Feldgrauians!

I begin my participation to the forum under my new pseudo (the previous one being definitively lost) with a question concerning the organization of the German military mission in Romania, sent in this country from October 1940 and on.

First of all, what was the official name of its naval component, under Vizeadmiral Werner Tillessen authority? I guess it should have been Deutsche Marinemission in Rumänien, later (1942) to be transformed in Marineverbindungsstab, but can someone confirm this point?

Then, does anyone know what were the antiaircraft artillery battalions sent in Romania in the first weeks? Halder spoke in his diary of a regiment with three battalions (one mixed, two light ones). I guess that the regimental staff was the Flak-Regimentsstab 180 (but it could have been the 202), but I have no clue concerning its subordinated battalions... Anyone can help?

To conclude this first post, if I'm pretty sure that the first fighter squadron sent in Romania was the 3./Jagdgeschwader 28 (previously 9./Jagdgeschwader 52), I'm not totally sure concerning the two first recon squadrons which should have been two of the following ones: 2.(Heeres)/Aufklärungsgruppe 10, 3.(Heeres)/Aufklärungsgruppe 13 and 1.(Heeres)/Aufklärungsgruppe 23. I guess the two first ones were the good ones, but I'm not 100% sure, so if someone can help on this too...

Thank you very much in advance!
I'm happy to be on Feldgrau again!
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Re: Deutsche Militärmission in Rumänien, 1940

Post by CNE_EMB » Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:47 pm

I dig up this thread hoping that someone will help me :)

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Re: Deutsche Militärmission in Rumänien, 1940

Post by Lorenz » Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:22 am

CNE EMB -

Roll 49 of NARA T-405 has the DLM Rumaenien material for fall 1940 through fall 1941. If the answers to your questions are anywhere, they would be in this roll.

http://ndupress.ndu.edu/Portals/68/Docu ... iNardo.pdf

242.9.2 Microfilm copies of records of air force organizations
Textual Records: Records of various numbered commands, rear area commands, and commands created during the course of the war, ca. 1939-45 (31 rolls), dealing with such administrative matters as construction and maintenance of airfields, personnel, and accounting. Records of various antiaircraft units, ca. 1939-45 (18 rolls). Records of the Air Force Mission to Romania, charged with directing the air defense of Romania and with coordinating German and Romanian air force units on the Russian front, 1940-45 (15 rolls).
Microfilm Publications: T405.
German Air Force Records: Luftgaukommandos, Flak, Deutsche Luftwaffenmission in Rumänien. Microfilm Publication T405. 64 rolls. (GG 25 and T176/rolls 16 and 24)
Finding Aids: GG 25.

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Re: Deutsche Militärmission in Rumänien, 1940

Post by CNE_EMB » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:04 am

Hello Lorenz,

I found this good article about the German military mission in Romania some time ago. Thanks anyway to provide it. Could you tell me how can I purchase these NARA rolls?

Thanks again,
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Re: Deutsche Militärmission in Rumänien, 1940

Post by Lorenz » Sat Apr 11, 2015 5:38 am

Hi CNE EMB,

Go to this website and in the menu on the left side of the page click on "Order Reproductions". Be very specific about what you want: Record Group 242, Microcopy T-405, roll 49.

http://www.archives.gov/contact/


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Re: Deutsche Militärmission in Rumänien, 1940

Post by CNE_EMB » Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:21 am

Lorenz,

I did what you suggested and purchased the roll 49. I will let you know whether it was a good purchase when it will be shipped at home! :)

Thanks for your help,
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CNE EMB

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Re: Deutsche Militärmission in Rumänien, 1940

Post by Lorenz » Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:11 am

Hi again CNE EMB,

Here is Option #2:

Go to the link below.


http://www.ww2.dk/Airfields%20-%20Romania.pdf

After it opens, right click. In the box that opens you will see "Find". Click on "Find". In the little Find window, enter the following one at a time:

Flak-Abt. (each of these will show a date. Keep clicking the down arrow for the next selection.)
Aufkl.Gr. (each of these will show a date. Keep clicking the down arrow for the next selection.)
etc.

I am the author of Luftwaffe Airfields 1935-45 - Romania so I know the information is correct.

Lorenz


P.S.:
le.Flak-Abt. 861 (mot) was the first one stationed in Romania.
By April 1941, 6 (H) Aufkl.Staffeln were in Romania, with 3.(H)/Aufkl.Gr. 13 being the first one.

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Re: Deutsche Militärmission in Rumänien, 1940

Post by CNE_EMB » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:47 am

Nice! As it is not the topic of your book, information concerning the Flak units is not sufficiently detailed for my researches. But it is excellent concerning the Romanian air infrastructure at this time!

Thanks a lot for the link, it is very helpful!
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Re: Deutsche Militärmission in Rumänien, 1940

Post by tigre » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:57 pm

Hello to all :D; a little complement...............................

The DHM in Romania!

From 22 October 1940 onwards, the 13. Pz Div moved as teaching (Lehr) troops to Romania in the area Brasow - Roman - Bacau - Ploesti. In Romania, the Division received the designation of "Lehrstab R", and by December 10, 1940, "Lehrstab R I of the German troops in Romania". This division was followed during the winter of 1940-1941 by the 16. Pz Div as "Lehrstab R II"

Sources: http://www.ebay.ch/itm/Div-Grosdeutschl ... SwJQdW~mNs
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... n/16PD.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... n/13PD.htm

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Maj. Graf Strachwitz (I. / PR 2) and General Hube with Romanian officers in Hermannstadt 1940 .....................
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Re: Deutsche Militärmission in Rumänien, 1940

Post by tigre » Wed May 25, 2016 4:38 pm

Hello to all :D; a little more...............................

The DHM in Romania!

The PR 2 as a Training Unit (Lehr-Truppe).

In late December 1940, the armored regiment was designated as training unit for the troops of the Romanian army and therefore moved through southern Germany, Austria, Hungary to Romania. On Christmas Eve 1940, the first elements of the regiment were transported and detrained in Mediaş and Sighişoara (Schäßburg). The Regimental HQ and the HQ of the I. Abteilung (Detachment) took their accommodation in Mediaş, while the HQ of II. Abteilung was lodged in Sighişoara (Schäßburg). The companies were distributed, respectively, in the surrounding villages. After a period of training in Romania, the HQ of the regiment and II. Abteilung moved south. Tanks and wheeled vehicles rolled in laborious marches through the oil region of Ploesti - Umpina on Bucharest-Sinaia and reached the Danube at Girgiu.

Sources: http://ndupress.ndu.edu/Portals/68/Docu ... iNardo.pdf
http://www.ebay.de/itm/11-Pz-Div-Pz-Rgt ... 7675.l2557
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... n / 16PD.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... n / 13PD.htm

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Military parade of the PR 2 together with Romanian officers in Sibiu / Hermannstadt on January 26, 1941 ...............................
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Re: Deutsche Militärmission in Rumänien, 1940

Post by CNE_EMB » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:21 pm

Hello,

I guess I found an interesting track concerning the Flak units deployed early in Romania in 1940-1941.
It is the following documents microfilmed by NARA under Serial number 272, Roll 272, Item 27638/7, entitled "Folder of unknown provenance, containing directives, correspondence, file memoranda, organizational charts and newspaper clippings, Oct-Nov 1940, pertaining to the establishment of a German military mission in Romania.
I found it in NARA guide T733 R2 Guide 38 (http://downloads.sturmpanzer.com/guides ... ide_38.pdf), p.146.

Could someone give me some advices to buy it?
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CNE EMB

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Re: Deutsche Militärmission in Rumänien, 1940

Post by John W. Howard » Sat Jul 01, 2017 11:17 pm

Hello CNE:
Since you have the exact designation of what you want to purchase, why not call the NARA and order them by phone?? It is much easier than trying to wade one's way through the NARA website, or sending a letter. Best wishes.
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